Fair comment. It is perhaps over complicated this late in the day.
Perhaps an idea for a series of programmes at a later date?
I still think the groups should get together to work out some sort of
plan and what role the guests actually have because it is not clear to
me what that would be?
I have an idea to simplify things technically, maybe? It would not be
quite so convenient but would be easy.
Host simply has Mumble on one channel on their desk, brings the guest(s)
in and out as they wish. They also make a phone call to same guest to
provide a talkback channel. Can use that to cue guests in if the guest
is going to speak straight after a song and to make last minute
arrangements, to confirm next track or whatever. It depends on the role
of the guest(s). Eliminates complex routing, clean feeds and all that
stuff. Just a simple call?
If there are multiple guest on the Mumble channel at one time, then the
call can only go to one of them so it won't work so well in that situation.
Simon.
On 25/05/2020 16:40, Ralph (Redacted sender ralphwinser for DMARC) wrote:
Hi all
I have to agree with Nick and Andy here and asK that we don’t over
complicate the final night at this late in the day.
Not just for the technical reasons either (Although these are a concern)
I think it will be too much for each presenter to do. Looking after
levels, a mumble feed, emails,s and text and Facebook messages from
listeners wanting (as they always do) to wish HR thankS and get a last
dedication After all it is about the listeners and notWhether we can
pull off another technical thing. I have however downloaded mumble on
iPhone but not sure it’s how I
Anyway simples I say.
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On 25 May 2020, at 14:13, Nick Apps <nick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
All good stuff .
I think we should we should keep it simple as Andy says and just
phone in if not taking part , im going to phone in on phil as it
sounded so good when Dom phoned in to his show . I do not want to
get too invoved with the final night I never do . But think DOSOTHM
in full is a way to go . maybe starting at 11.45 as we can go beyond
midnight.
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My thoughts were that obviously the guests liaise and agree with the
anchors re the tracks they want to play. That is part of the
individual group's production to sort out and why I thought it would
be easier to do in small groups. The idea is for the listeners to
find out what the individual passions are of the guests but obviously
that has to be moderated by what is possible at this time.
Otherwise, what are the guests bringing?
My idea for myself was to talk about the first records I bought. Not
pretty to be honest, so that might be a bit amusing but I would not
play those. It got better reasonably quickly so those are the ones I
would choose. What others do I think is up to them. It's up to each
group to work it out between themselves. With everyone doing
something slightly different, that will hopefully make for an
interesting and varied evening.
Simon.
On 25/05/2020 11:27, Tony Davis wrote:
Hi all
Will come back about the technical stuff with Mumble etc. When my
technician (Benjamin) has had a look but initial thoughts are we
could have problems but may have another solution.
With regard to the playlist if guests are going to pick their own
tracks they need to let the hosts know in advance because we do
not all have access to the complete database and may have to
acquire other tracks. If we are working from Classic tracks left
to the discretion of the hosts then that is much easier.
We need to keep this as easy as possible. It has been a good
month and we don’t want to mess it up but over complicating the
final night. BTW I have DSOTM ready to close us down.
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Andy,
No, I don't entirely agree with the 'classics' idea and was not
what I had in mind for this. I think the guests should be able to
play what they like, something they perhaps have a passion for.
That passion will come across and make for a more interesting and
varied programme. The anchors could perhaps play the classics in
between the guest spots, maybe even from a pre-ordered playlist
but I think the guests should play what they like. That way the
programme will be varied and mixed.
That's just my take on it of course.
Also, I think Phil the bus needs a bit of a steer regarding audio
levels. They are often not very consistent between tracks.
Simon.
On 25/05/2020 08:39, Andy Gunton wrote:
That sounds like a plan Simon.
By the way, the final night DJs have been confirmed by Steve as:
6-8pm - Phill The Bus
8-10pm - Sarah Harvey
10pm to Closedown - Tony Davis.
I think it would be sensible to include Phill in the Mumble
conversation as he'll be involved on the night.
Not sure what Nick thinks, but I think we should allow the
DJs free choice during those shows, up to a point that is. I
suggest we get them to use the Top 100 tracks as a guide, and
just try & play well known tracks from across the years, as
we've done in previous years.
I know Simon has only just finished playing out the Top 100,
but these are the all time Classics that listeners have voted
for, and will be the sort of thing listeners will be
expecting to hear anyway.
Andy
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Perhaps it could be discussed over Mumble? I have just
connected up and it seems to be working. No one else there
though so obviously I cannot confirm.
Simon.
On 24/05/2020 22:06, sfhrock wrote:
Sarah,
Apologies, I meant to send my last email to all but glad
I did not because that idea will not work.
It totally depends on how the caller would hear your
voice. If it is from your broadcast mic, I would guess
they would hear something from your studio speakers
whilst the music is playing. It depends on how your voice
is fed to Mumble, assuming it is Mumble you are referring to.
Without a bit more info I can't really help.
This might best be discussed over the phone rather than
typing it all out. It takes ages this way. Then we can
pass on the info to everyone once you have it sorted out.
Simon.
On 24/05/2020 21:31, Andy Gunton wrote:.
Were you using Jon’s suggested Mumble app?
We’ll need that for the final night.
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Ok, test went well and worked fine, although the only
thing I haven’t figured out is how the caller can
hear the output music. Not sure that is vital, but
may be able to yet work out how to do that.
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Andy,
I agree with the local DJ idea as many of us will
have been involved for long time but never have
experienced a broadcast quite like this.
I think for the anchors it will be a busy programme
as they will control the guests, playing the music,
doing the housekeeping activities and making sure
everything comes together from a technical point of
view and effectively driving the programme along, so
they need to be comfortable with that.
Then we will need a list of those who want to be
guests. They would need to pair up with the anchors;
probably with those who have a bit of a rapport with
each other to help keep it moving and relaxed.
The only other thing I will say is the anchors would
need to keep a tight check on time. It will be very
easy for each guest and hence the segment to overrun
and we do not want that. It would make it stressful
for everyone. So the anchors need to push the guests
along if they are talking a bit too much and the
guest's slot is starting to overrun.
With Mumble, it should be possible to have all three
guests on together if a group wanted to do it that way.
I am happy to be a guest.
Simon.
On 24/05/2020 13:05, Andy Gunton wrote:
Ralph: In the password, the O is the capital
letter 'O', not the number zero. That stopped me
the first time.
I also think this is a great idea, well done
Simon, if we can get it all to work ok.
I've managed to download & set up the Mumble app,
so presumably I'll now be able to connect to the
live DJ?
We're still working on which DJs will be doing
the slots, but this will hopefully enable those
DJs who can't be live on the night to get
involved, including those of us who've not been
involved at all this year, which is what I wanted
to try & do all along.
I'd like to keep it to local DJs presenting the
final night shows if possible, but of course
people like Martin Turner & Ray Copeland could
still be involved via the Mumble app if they
wanted to be.
So hopefully 3 x 2 hour slots from 6pm & then
play DSOTM around midnight.
Thoughts?
Cheers,
Andy
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Hi Jon. I’m trying to set up mumble on iOS it’s
fine until I hit connect. I then get a message
Connection Rejected
Wrong Server Password
I’ve tried both root.oasw.co.uk and
NmJkZjYzYjA10WYy
Keeps coming back to same message.
Any ideas. Ralph
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On 24 May 2020, at 08:09, sfhrock
mailto:sfhrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Yes this is not difficult to install and get
running. I have done so myself. It will
eliminate the need to be able to handle
telephone calls. Therefore anyone with a home
studio can make use of it if they wish. It
should also be better quality.
Simon.
On 23/05/2020 21:57,
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Here's the link to the Mumble setup I put
together earlier
http://www.oasw.co.uk/mpublic/hrock-bits/2020/mumble-setup.pdf
What this does is allows all the dj's to
join an audio real time "chat room". Acts
a bit like a telephone conference call.
If you couple this with Simon's idea each
"anchor" has the output of this on their
desk and fade can then chat with the dj's
who are participating in their segment.
You'd need people to set this up and test
it in advance but everyone can more or
less do that themselves if they follow
the instructions. There's no need to
coordinate anything with me it runs
alongside the main studio.
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Who would anchors be because I’m not
sure that anyone other than Sarah can
connect to a phone and we are not
testing whether that works or not
until tomorrow. Think we may be over
complicating this and perhaps just
shorter sets for djs and, if it
works, the possibility of others
ringing into Sarah to present. We are
testing tomorrow the possibility of
taking in the stream through messenger.
Tony D
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** Hastings Rock Radio **
Simon THAT. my friend is a cracking
idea. I love that.
Thing is I do feel it may be a little
complicated to get sorted and
broadcastable inside six days
but...................
R
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> On 23 May 2020, at 19:46, sfhrock
mailto:sfhrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> ** Hastings Rock Radio **
>
> How about this for an idea?
>
> The evening is spilt into segments.
Just to outline some terminology to
> make it easier to explain, each
segment is hosted by an 'anchor'. The
> criteria for being an anchor is that
you can present a programme from
> home and put a phone call on air.
>
> In each segment there are 'guest
DJs', say up to three,depending how
> long each segment is.
>
> Each guest DJ presents a set; three
or four tracks, could be their
> choice, whatever.
>
> This could be as a straight set so
they are left to present down the
> phone with the anchor simply playing
the tracks, or in conversation with
> the anchor, maybe talking about the
chosen tracks perhaps or reading out
> dedications etc.
>
> Each segment is produced by the
anchor in conjunction with their guest
> DJs, so it is entirely up to them
how they organise the tracks, who is
> saying what etc. That way no one has
to try and produce the whole
> evening, which would be a nightmare.
>
> If we had three people that could
act as anchors and each had a two hour
> segment we would get 12 DJs
including anchors in the 6 hour slot. If
> there are more that want to be part
of it we may have to start earlier.
> If there are those that would like
to do a show on their own without
> guests, than they can but they have
much shorter segment.
>
> It sound complicated but if each
group produces only their segment, then
> it should not be too onerous. Also,
with each group producing their own
> segment, the segments will probably
each sound slightly different, which
> would be more interesting to listen
to and keep people listening through
> the evening.
>
> I think just leaving a message on
the phone, whilst it is a lot simpler,
> is not going to sound that special
to be honest.
>
> Each group would need to think about
how the guests could hear the track
> playing, unless the anchor is
controlling through conversation, but all
> of that would be up to each group to
work out.
>
> Ambitious yes, but it would be a bit
different and maybe interesting to
> listen to?
>
> Simon.
>
>
>> On 22/05/2020 21:20, sfhrock wrote:
>> ** Hastings Rock Radio **
>>
>> The ads could be taken out as I have
done for JD's Rock and Roll but six
>> hours is rather a lot to go through
and the programme is usually a bit
>> chaotic. I don't think it will fit
very well with the times either. It
>> would just remind everyone of what
they are missing. Did some of it come
>> from the Carlisle?
>>
>> Maybe we could have a number of DJs
doing short stints rather like we do
>> anyway on the last Friday,
particularly from those who have
contributed
>> this year.
>>
>> I think using Jon's virtual studio
facility would work quite well for
>> this and allow a bit more variety of
voices. Richard Stack seems to have
>> mastered it very well.
Unsurprisingly a bit shaky at the
start but you
>> would not have any idea he was using
it now. He sounds just as good as
>> anyone.
>>
>> Also, how about asking for
dedications? Robojock is Ok but it
does not
>> allow someone to dedicate a song for
someone else, friend/loved one -
>> especially good if they are geo
isolated from each other at this time.
>> In fact we could say that any
requests we play will only be played if
>> they are dedications to someone else
(obviously we would need take this
>> on trust).
>>
>> For those with home studios with
telephone connectivity, other DJs could
>> contribute by phone though this
would need a bit of production,
>> particularly if the idea ran across
slots, i.e who was going to speak to
>> who and at what time to make sure no
repetition and as many are included
>> as possible. They could be invited
to choose a few favourites that they
>> could both talk about? This might be
a bit complicated to organise
>> though now I think about it but
would be bit different to the norm,
>> which might be a good thing at this
time?
>>
>> Just a few ideas?
>>
>> Simon.
>>
>>
>>> On 22/05/2020 20:41, Ralph (Redacted
sender ralphwinser for DMARC) wrote:
>>> ** Hastings Rock Radio **
>>>
>>> Liking the jingle between DJs Jon.
>>> Another thought and by far the
easiest option. Play out last years
last night. I guess it’s in the
archives I know it’s not the best
option but...... adverts would be a
problem I guess.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On 22 May 2020, at 19:33, jon bird
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wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ** Hastings Rock Radio **
>>>>
>>>> Very quickly because I need to be
somewhere else (not physically
obviously!).
>>>>
>>>> I've already mentioned the
Mumble/voice comms thing as an option
so I
>>>> won't repeat that again here but
happy to support setting that up if
>>>> people want to give that a try.
>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to suggest that we forget
the Zoom/video chat idea, as the
>>>>> slight time lag would make it a
problem & we want things to be as easy as
>>>>> possible.
>>>> Before we dismiss the Zoom thing, it
was mentioned about how listeners
>>>> would be able to see the DJs on
this. Of the couple of sesssions I've
been
>>>> involved with it was as a passive
viewer - one of several hundred in fact
>>>> watching 6-8 people on screen. Which
is basically what you are talking
>>>> about here. However I suspect you
may have to pay to accomodate more than
>>>> a few people and/or go over the 40
minute limit but I can't really help
>>>> any further than that.
>>>>
>>>>> Nick has assured me that we don't
need the hour between live DJs, as long
>>>>> as we make sure they log out & in
properly.
>>>>> This should only take minutes, if
that, so we could maybe let Robojock
>>>>> play one track between DJs & then
log in at the end of that track, unless
>>>>> it's a long one!
>>>>> How does that sound? Will that work?
>>>>>
>>>> Re: Tony's point about requests,
that's easily done, we'll just disable
>>>> the request page for the evening.
It's only available during periods when
>>>> we take requests anyway...
>>>>
>>>> Personally I think having Robojock
kick in at the end of every show for
>>>> potentially just a few seconds of a
track will be a bit rubbish. What I
>>>> think you want is a longish (say a
minute) jingle/backing track with a bit
>>>> of a voiceover - a bit like the
"please hold, you call is important
to us"
>>>> but more "we're just getting ready
for the next show, stand by....". That
>>>> just runs up until the next DJ
connects up - which will hopefully be
>>>> within seconds of the previous one
disconnecting. If not, once the
>>>> announcement track is over, the
default would be to drop back to
>>>> automation (eg. presenter having
technical difficulties). I can easily set
>>>> that up, just needs someone to
record something suitable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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