If I am honest, I tend to agree with Ralph. I have lost the plot a little with
this when I thought it was going to be quite simple, it is turning out to be
sounding technically complicated.
I agree with Simon regarding the groups and having some sort of structure to
this. I am certainly not keen to download another bit of software (i.e. mumble)
that does the same thing as messenger or Skype etc..
My system works with me using the studio mic and headphones I use for the
playout system and is merely plumbed in. The people in contact can probably
hear the studio speakers for the music and I will just count them in to being
on air and tell them when they are off air. Off air I can converse with them
normally.
It uses my mobile phone as the communication source both speaking and
listening. People can phone in. Although I haven’t tried it with Messenger or
Skype..... either can handle a number of people on at one time if I set up a
group..... it just needs people who have these platforms. The input and
communication merely uses the talk and audio from the phone regardless of what
I use.
I am quite happy to test this with a group of people.
Me and Tony Davis will be giving this a whirl for real on Thursday.
Sarah
From: sfhrock
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 5:29 PM
To: hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Hastings Rock] Re: Final Night
Fair comment. It is perhaps over complicated this late in the day. Perhaps an
idea for a series of programmes at a later date?
I still think the groups should get together to work out some sort of plan and
what role the guests actually have because it is not clear to me what that
would be?
I have an idea to simplify things technically, maybe? It would not be quite so
convenient but would be easy.
Host simply has Mumble on one channel on their desk, brings the guest(s) in and
out as they wish. They also make a phone call to same guest to provide a
talkback channel. Can use that to cue guests in if the guest is going to speak
straight after a song and to make last minute arrangements, to confirm next
track or whatever. It depends on the role of the guest(s). Eliminates complex
routing, clean feeds and all that stuff. Just a simple call?
If there are multiple guest on the Mumble channel at one time, then the call
can only go to one of them so it won't work so well in that situation.
Simon.
On 25/05/2020 16:40, Ralph (Redacted sender ralphwinser for DMARC) wrote:
Hi all
I have to agree with Nick and Andy here and asK that we don’t over complicate
the final night at this late in the day.
Not just for the technical reasons either (Although these are a concern)
I think it will be too much for each presenter to do. Looking after levels, a
mumble feed, emails,s and text and Facebook messages from listeners wanting (as
they always do) to wish HR thankS and get a last dedication After all it is
about the listeners and notWhether we can pull off another technical thing. I
have however downloaded mumble on iPhone but not sure it’s how I
Anyway simples I say.
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On 25 May 2020, at 14:13, Nick Apps mailto:nick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
All good stuff .
I think we should we should keep it simple as Andy says and just phone in
if not taking part , im going to phone in on phil as it sounded so good when
Dom phoned in to his show . I do not want to get too invoved with the final
night I never do . But think DOSOTHM in full is a way to go . maybe starting at
11.45 as we can go beyond midnight.
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From: sfhrock
Sent: 25 May 2020 12:05
To: hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Hastings Rock] Re: Final Night
My thoughts were that obviously the guests liaise and agree with the
anchors re the tracks they want to play. That is part of the individual group's
production to sort out and why I thought it would be easier to do in small
groups. The idea is for the listeners to find out what the individual passions
are of the guests but obviously that has to be moderated by what is possible at
this time.
Otherwise, what are the guests bringing?
My idea for myself was to talk about the first records I bought. Not pretty
to be honest, so that might be a bit amusing but I would not play those. It got
better reasonably quickly so those are the ones I would choose. What others do
I think is up to them. It's up to each group to work it out between themselves.
With everyone doing something slightly different, that will hopefully make for
an interesting and varied evening.
Simon.
On 25/05/2020 11:27, Tony Davis wrote:
Hi all
Will come back about the technical stuff with Mumble etc. When my
technician (Benjamin) has had a look but initial thoughts are we could have
problems but may have another solution.
With regard to the playlist if guests are going to pick their own tracks
they need to let the hosts know in advance because we do not all have access to
the complete database and may have to acquire other tracks. If we are working
from Classic tracks left to the discretion of the hosts then that is much
easier.
We need to keep this as easy as possible. It has been a good month and we
don’t want to mess it up but over complicating the final night. BTW I have
DSOTM ready to close us down.
Tony D
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From: sfhrock
Sent: 25 May 2020 10:55
To: hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Hastings Rock] Re: Final Night
Andy,
No, I don't entirely agree with the 'classics' idea and was not what I
had in mind for this. I think the guests should be able to play what they like,
something they perhaps have a passion for. That passion will come across and
make for a more interesting and varied programme. The anchors could perhaps
play the classics in between the guest spots, maybe even from a pre-ordered
playlist but I think the guests should play what they like. That way the
programme will be varied and mixed.
That's just my take on it of course.
Also, I think Phil the bus needs a bit of a steer regarding audio levels.
They are often not very consistent between tracks.
Simon.
On 25/05/2020 08:39, Andy Gunton wrote:
That sounds like a plan Simon.
By the way, the final night DJs have been confirmed by Steve as:
6-8pm - Phill The Bus
8-10pm - Sarah Harvey
10pm to Closedown - Tony Davis.
I think it would be sensible to include Phill in the Mumble
conversation as he'll be involved on the night.
Not sure what Nick thinks, but I think we should allow the DJs free
choice during those shows, up to a point that is. I suggest we get them to use
the Top 100 tracks as a guide, and just try & play well known tracks from
across the years, as we've done in previous years.
I know Simon has only just finished playing out the Top 100, but these
are the all time Classics that listeners have voted for, and will be the sort
of thing listeners will be expecting to hear anyway.
Andy
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Subject: [Hastings Rock] Re: Final Night
Perhaps it could be discussed over Mumble? I have just connected up and
it seems to be working. No one else there though so obviously I cannot confirm.
Simon.
On 24/05/2020 22:06, sfhrock wrote:
Sarah,
Apologies, I meant to send my last email to all but glad I did not
because that idea will not work.
It totally depends on how the caller would hear your voice. If it is
from your broadcast mic, I would guess they would hear something from your
studio speakers whilst the music is playing. It depends on how your voice is
fed to Mumble, assuming it is Mumble you are referring to.
Without a bit more info I can't really help.
This might best be discussed over the phone rather than typing it all
out. It takes ages this way. Then we can pass on the info to everyone once you
have it sorted out.
Simon.
On 24/05/2020 21:31, Andy Gunton wrote:.
Were you using Jon’s suggested Mumble app?
We’ll need that for the final night.
Andy
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Subject: [Hastings Rock] Re: Final Night
Ok, test went well and worked fine, although the only thing I
haven’t figured out is how the caller can hear the output music. Not sure that
is vital, but may be able to yet work out how to do that.
Sarah
From: sfhrock
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 2:17 PM
To: hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Hastings Rock] Re: Final Night
Andy,
I agree with the local DJ idea as many of us will have been
involved for long time but never have experienced a broadcast quite like this.
I think for the anchors it will be a busy programme as they will
control the guests, playing the music, doing the housekeeping activities and
making sure everything comes together from a technical point of view and
effectively driving the programme along, so they need to be comfortable with
that.
Then we will need a list of those who want to be guests. They would
need to pair up with the anchors; probably with those who have a bit of a
rapport with each other to help keep it moving and relaxed.
The only other thing I will say is the anchors would need to keep a
tight check on time. It will be very easy for each guest and hence the segment
to overrun and we do not want that. It would make it stressful for everyone. So
the anchors need to push the guests along if they are talking a bit too much
and the guest's slot is starting to overrun.
With Mumble, it should be possible to have all three guests on
together if a group wanted to do it that way.
I am happy to be a guest.
Simon.
On 24/05/2020 13:05, Andy Gunton wrote:
Ralph: In the password, the O is the capital letter 'O', not the
number zero. That stopped me the first time.
I also think this is a great idea, well done Simon, if we can get
it all to work ok.
I've managed to download & set up the Mumble app, so presumably
I'll now be able to connect to the live DJ?
We're still working on which DJs will be doing the slots, but
this will hopefully enable those DJs who can't be live on the night to get
involved, including those of us who've not been involved at all this year,
which is what I wanted to try & do all along.
I'd like to keep it to local DJs presenting the final night shows
if possible, but of course people like Martin Turner & Ray Copeland could still
be involved via the Mumble app if they wanted to be.
So hopefully 3 x 2 hour slots from 6pm & then play DSOTM around
midnight.
Thoughts?
Cheers,
Andy
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Subject: [Hastings Rock] Re: Final Night
Hi Jon. I’m trying to set up mumble on iOS it’s fine until I hit
connect. I then get a message
Connection Rejected
Wrong Server Password
I’ve tried both root.oasw.co.uk and
NmJkZjYzYjA10WYy
Keeps coming back to same message.
Any ideas. Ralph
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On 24 May 2020, at 08:09, sfhrock
mailto:sfhrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Yes this is not difficult to install and get running. I have
done so myself. It will eliminate the need to be able to handle telephone
calls. Therefore anyone with a home studio can make use of it if they wish. It
should also be better quality.
Simon.
On 23/05/2020 21:57, hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Here's the link to the Mumble setup I put together earlier
http://www.oasw.co.uk/mpublic/hrock-bits/2020/mumble-setup.pdf ;
What this does is allows all the dj's to join an audio real
time "chat room". Acts a bit like a telephone conference call.
If you couple this with Simon's idea each "anchor" has the
output of this on their desk and fade can then chat with the dj's who are
participating in their segment.
You'd need people to set this up and test it in advance but
everyone can more or less do that themselves if they follow the instructions.
There's no need to coordinate anything with me it runs alongside the main
studio.
On 23 May 2020 21:00:01 BST, Tony Davis
mailto:tonydavis210852@xxxxxxxxx wrote: ;
** Hastings Rock Radio **
Who would anchors be because I’m not sure that anyone other
than Sarah can connect to a phone and we are not testing whether that works or
not until tomorrow. Think we may be over complicating this and perhaps just
shorter sets for djs and, if it works, the possibility of others ringing into
Sarah to present. We are testing tomorrow the possibility of taking in the
stream through messenger.
Tony D
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From: Ralph
Sent: 23 May 2020 20:23
To: hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Hastings Rock] Re: Final Night
** Hastings Rock Radio **
Simon THAT. my friend is a cracking idea. I love that.
Thing is I do feel it may be a little complicated to get
sorted and broadcastable inside six days but...................
R
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> On 23 May 2020, at 19:46, sfhrock
mailto:sfhrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> ** Hastings Rock Radio **
>
> How about this for an idea?
>
> The evening is spilt into segments. Just to outline some
terminology to
> make it easier to explain, each segment is hosted by an
'anchor'. The
> criteria for being an anchor is that you can present a
programme from
> home and put a phone call on air.
>
> In each segment there are 'guest DJs', say up to
three,depending how
> long each segment is.
>
> Each guest DJ presents a set; three or four tracks, could
be their
> choice, whatever.
>
> This could be as a straight set so they are left to
present down the
> phone with the anchor simply playing the tracks, or in
conversation with
> the anchor, maybe talking about the chosen tracks perhaps
or reading out
> dedications etc.
>
> Each segment is produced by the anchor in conjunction
with their guest
> DJs, so it is entirely up to them how they organise the
tracks, who is
> saying what etc. That way no one has to try and produce
the whole
> evening, which would be a nightmare.
>
> If we had three people that could act as anchors and each
had a two hour
> segment we would get 12 DJs including anchors in the 6
hour slot. If
> there are more that want to be part of it we may have to
start earlier.
> If there are those that would like to do a show on their
own without
> guests, than they can but they have much shorter segment.
>
> It sound complicated but if each group produces only
their segment, then
> it should not be too onerous. Also, with each group
producing their own
> segment, the segments will probably each sound slightly
different, which
> would be more interesting to listen to and keep people
listening through
> the evening.
>
> I think just leaving a message on the phone, whilst it is
a lot simpler,
> is not going to sound that special to be honest.
>
> Each group would need to think about how the guests could
hear the track
> playing, unless the anchor is controlling through
conversation, but all
> of that would be up to each group to work out.
>
> Ambitious yes, but it would be a bit different and maybe
interesting to
> listen to?
>
> Simon.
>
>
>> On 22/05/2020 21:20, sfhrock wrote:
>> ** Hastings Rock Radio **
>>
>> The ads could be taken out as I have done for JD's Rock
and Roll but six
>> hours is rather a lot to go through and the programme is
usually a bit
>> chaotic. I don't think it will fit very well with the
times either. It
>> would just remind everyone of what they are missing. Did
some of it come
>> from the Carlisle?
>>
>> Maybe we could have a number of DJs doing short stints
rather like we do
>> anyway on the last Friday, particularly from those who
have contributed
>> this year.
>>
>> I think using Jon's virtual studio facility would work
quite well for
>> this and allow a bit more variety of voices. Richard
Stack seems to have
>> mastered it very well. Unsurprisingly a bit shaky at
the start but you
>> would not have any idea he was using it now. He sounds
just as good as
>> anyone.
>>
>> Also, how about asking for dedications? Robojock is Ok
but it does not
>> allow someone to dedicate a song for someone else,
friend/loved one -
>> especially good if they are geo isolated from each other
at this time.
>> In fact we could say that any requests we play will only
be played if
>> they are dedications to someone else (obviously we would
need take this
>> on trust).
>>
>> For those with home studios with telephone connectivity,
other DJs could
>> contribute by phone though this would need a bit of
production,
>> particularly if the idea ran across slots, i.e who was
going to speak to
>> who and at what time to make sure no repetition and as
many are included
>> as possible. They could be invited to choose a few
favourites that they
>> could both talk about? This might be a bit complicated
to organise
>> though now I think about it but would be bit different
to the norm,
>> which might be a good thing at this time?
>>
>> Just a few ideas?
>>
>> Simon.
>>
>>
>>> On 22/05/2020 20:41, Ralph (Redacted sender ralphwinser
for DMARC) wrote:
>>> ** Hastings Rock Radio **
>>>
>>> Liking the jingle between DJs Jon.
>>> Another thought and by far the easiest option. Play out
last years last night. I guess it’s in the archives I know it’s not the best
option but...... adverts would be a problem I guess.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 22 May 2020, at 19:33, jon bird
mailto:hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ** Hastings Rock Radio **
>>>>
>>>> Very quickly because I need to be somewhere else (not
physically obviously!).
>>>>
>>>> I've already mentioned the Mumble/voice comms thing as
an option so I
>>>> won't repeat that again here but happy to support
setting that up if
>>>> people want to give that a try.
>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to suggest that we forget the Zoom/video
chat idea, as the
>>>>> slight time lag would make it a problem & we want
things to be as easy as
>>>>> possible.
>>>> Before we dismiss the Zoom thing, it was mentioned
about how listeners
>>>> would be able to see the DJs on this. Of the couple of
sesssions I've been
>>>> involved with it was as a passive viewer - one of
several hundred in fact
>>>> watching 6-8 people on screen. Which is basically what
you are talking
>>>> about here. However I suspect you may have to pay to
accomodate more than
>>>> a few people and/or go over the 40 minute limit but I
can't really help
>>>> any further than that.
>>>>
>>>>> Nick has assured me that we don't need the hour
between live DJs, as long
>>>>> as we make sure they log out & in properly.
>>>>> This should only take minutes, if that, so we could
maybe let Robojock
>>>>> play one track between DJs & then log in at the end
of that track, unless
>>>>> it's a long one!
>>>>> How does that sound? Will that work?
>>>>>
>>>> Re: Tony's point about requests, that's easily done,
we'll just disable
>>>> the request page for the evening. It's only available
during periods when
>>>> we take requests anyway...
>>>>
>>>> Personally I think having Robojock kick in at the end
of every show for
>>>> potentially just a few seconds of a track will be a
bit rubbish. What I
>>>> think you want is a longish (say a minute)
jingle/backing track with a bit
>>>> of a voiceover - a bit like the "please hold, you call
is important to us"
>>>> but more "we're just getting ready for the next show,
stand by....". That
>>>> just runs up until the next DJ connects up - which
will hopefully be
>>>> within seconds of the previous one disconnecting. If
not, once the
>>>> announcement track is over, the default would be to
drop back to
>>>> automation (eg. presenter having technical
difficulties). I can easily set
>>>> that up, just needs someone to record something
suitable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> == mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx - in real life ;
jon bird
>>>> == http://www.onasticksoftware.co.uk - stuff, ;
on-a-stick
>>>> == "men love women, women love children, children
love hamsters"
>>>> == <technology out of control>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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