I remember one of my Gestalt trainers saying once: it's not what happens that
matters but what happens next.
In any case I wouldn't want to comment on what happened between this
facilitator and client in the workshop when I wasn't present to witness the
whole field but the most interesting part for me is that it was hard for the
client to stay in the place of feeling disempowered and despairing afterwards.
So then the important question is am I helping her more if I offer her ways out
of this or if I simply accompany her in that place of despair?
When I look back over some of my moments of greatest despair I can see they
were the moments when the most profound changes happened in me.
Barbara
From: Gabriella [mailto:gabiangus@xxxxxxxxxxx] ;
Sent: 30 September 2015 22:39
To: Barbara Morgan
Cc: Caroline Penn
Subject: Re: Barbara Morgan - workshop flyers
Hi both,
I won't be able to do anything for at least until tomorrow evening, as I'm
working late tonight. I will try and figure it out.
Gabriella
On 30 Sep 2015, at 05:51, "Barbara Morgan" <theknowingfield@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi both
I am away from my computer till tonight so can't check before then whether I
sent you the right doc. It had two sides and on the 2nd side are 2 lots of
testimonials one along the top and one on the bottom right. The rest of the
words on side 2 and those on side 1 are the ones I would like used.
If it's easier to re- start the flyer I'm fine with that but these are the
words I'd like and it's nice to have my logo on.
xx
Sent from my iPhone
On 29 Sep 2015, at 22:02, Gabriella <gabiangus@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The prefix 'pub' is a publisher document. It isn't necessary. I'm a bit
confused now with what is happening re the flyer. Are we creating a new one
based on the new one Barbara sent?
Gabriella
On 29 Sep 2015, at 21:36, "Caroline Penn" <caroline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Barbara & Gabriella
Unfortunately I cannot open the document with the suffix ‘pub’
Will this flyer alone suffice?
I have altered the dates. I just need to know:
1. to whom the course fees are being paid.
2. Any changes to the text, (there are no testimonials so I am lost
regarding Barbara’s comment below to replace them!)
I would propose that the paragraph ‘About Family Constellations’ is used in the
emails sent out with the flyer.
Thanks for your quick response.
Caroline
From: Barbara Morgan [mailto:theknowingfield@xxxxxxxxx] ;
Sent: 29 September 2015 15:39
To: Caroline Penn
Cc: Gabriella Angus
Subject: Re: FW: Barbara Morgan - workshop flyers
Great thanks Caroline.
Side 1 - Family Constellations Workshop 15/16 Jan 2016 with Barbara Morgan (add
address of venue).
Leave web and email addresses as is.
Side 2: Testimonials. Replace with:
1. I have had great difficulty for many years finding an approach that could
work on such a deep, fundamental level, so it has been a real joy to experience
working with you and with family constellations. (Frank, Hebden Bridge, UK).
2. Immense gratitude for your kind, tender but firm touches on my oh, so
beautiful life. (Anda, Bucharest, Romania).
Change last para to:
'This workshop will enable you to completely immerse yourself in this new way
of being which cannot help but have an impact on your life.
To book a place on the workshop, send a cheque to:......................
or email: for bank details.
Hope this is clear!!
Do you have a special tool for converting the pdf to word?
xx
On 29 September 2015 at 14:15, Caroline Penn <caroline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Don't worry Barbara - I can do it.
I just need to know if there are any amendments you would like made to the
blurb.
I can just change the dates etc very easily.
Caroline
From: Gabriella [mailto:gabiangus@xxxxxxxxxxx] ;
Sent: 24 September 2015 23:06
To:caroline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Barbara Morgan
Subject: RE: Barbara Morgan - workshop weekend in herts?
I cranked up the old computer and managed to find it.
I've included it in Publisher and Word, though its best to send it out as a PDF
I think. Perhaps Barbara can have a look and see if she is still happy with
these words.
Gabriella
From:caroline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To:gabiangus@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Barbara Morgan - workshop weekend in herts?
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 23:00:42 +0100
Hi Gabriella
I should have it somewhere. Can you remind me of the date of the workshop.
That may help me to locate it. Thanks Cx
From: Gabriella [mailto:gabiangus@xxxxxxxxxxx] ;
Sent: 24 September 2015 22:43
To: Caroline Penn
Subject: Re: Barbara Morgan - workshop weekend in herts?
I don't have that info any more. It's on an old computer. Don't suppose you
have it in an email somewhere do you?
Gabriella
On 24 Sep 2015, at 09:46, "Caroline Penn" <caroline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hiya and that is brilliant.
Can you liase with Barbara about her fee and therefore cost.
You sent out email info last time, could that be used as a proforma? Then I can
send round to the folk I know are interested.
Thanks
caroline
From: Gabriella [mailto:gabiangus@xxxxxxxxxxx] ;
Sent: 24 September 2015 09:10
To: Barbara Morgan
Cc: Caroline Penn
Subject: Re: Barbara Morgan - workshop weekend in herts?
Just to let you know that I have booked the hall. The cost of the hall will be
£100.
Gabriella
On 22 Sep 2015, at 06:06, "Barbara Morgan" <theknowingfield@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
OK fine. I will keep it pencilled in for now.
x
On 22 September 2015 at 00:21, Gabriella <gabiangus@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi both,
I will see if the hall is available on these dates.
Gabriella
On 21 Sep 2015, at 17:50, "Barbara Morgan" <theknowingfield@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Caroline,
Yes I would be interested in coming up to Herts to run a workshop but it would
have to be next year as I have a really full schedule this side of Xmas. I
could do 16/17 Jan but would need to drive up on the Sat morning as I have a
regular commitment on the Friday night so a 10 am start would be best for me.
Let me know if that fits at all with your plans and with Gabriella's.
On 13 September 2015 at 18:58, Caroline Penn <caroline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Barbara
Would you be interested in doing a workshop weekend in Herts?
See correspondence below.
Caroline
x
From: Gabriella [mailto:gabiangus@xxxxxxxxxxx] ;
Sent: 03 September 2015 17:42
To: Caroline Penn
Subject: Re: Barbara Morgan
Hi Caroline,
It would give me great pleasure.
Gabriella xx
On 2 Sep 2015, at 16:50, "Caroline Penn" <caroline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Gabriella
I have several people very interested in a Constellation weekend with Barbara.
Assuming that she is interested in coming up this way again, might you be
interested in organising it?
I hope you don’t think this is a cheeky request!
I haven’t muted the idea with Barbara yet, I thought best to ask you first.
Your village Hall worked really well.
I hope all’s well with you!
Caroline
--
I
Barbara Morgan
Family Constellations Trainer, Supervisor & Practitioner
Editor of
The Knowing Field
International Constellations Journal
www.cominghome.org.uk
www.theknowingfield.com
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I
Barbara Morgan
Family Constellations Trainer, Supervisor & Practitioner
Editor of
The Knowing Field
International Constellations Journal
www.cominghome.org.uk
www.theknowingfield.com
--
I
Barbara Morgan
Family Constellations Trainer, Supervisor & Practitioner
Editor of
The Knowing Field
International Constellations Journal
www.cominghome.org.uk
www.theknowingfield.com
<Coming Home flyer and info Jan 2016.doc>
Sent from my iPhone
On 12 Oct 2015, at 06:59, "Heiki Eesmaa heiki.eesmaa@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk]" <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
What would be interesting for me to understand is what could be done as
repair in this situation. From what I read there was something left in the
client: either retraumatization (shaking & confusion).or what Mikhail
Burnyashev calls a 'Trojan horse' (the belief of not being able to conceive).
Probably condemning another practitioner who made some poor choices would not
be conducive to repairing anything though :) Might set up the practitioner,
client & conception to investigate.
Thank you for sharing.
Heiki Eesmaa
On Oct 12, 2015 1:26 AM, "Steve Vinay Gunther spirited@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk]" <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Delicate matter
Hi folks. Normally if I hear of someone else’s constellation work, even if
its a different style, I will simply accept that everyone does it
differently, and, in the end, people are generally benefited.
But at a recent workshop, I had a very troubling experience.
A woman attended, who had recently been to another constellation workshop
with a well known facilitator. She had brought forward an issue about having
children. The facilitator had worked with her at the end of the day…done a
very short constellation, had thrown together a great many (possible)
influences - some family relatives, some events in the family, some social
issues, some historical cultural issues, and then - at the end of what the
client reported as a chaotic and messy process - declared to the client that
she would never have children, and she should just adjust her life to that
fact.
Now, I wasnt there, so dont know exactly what happened. But the client
concerned is experienced in workshops, very well educated, and a stable kind
of a person. I doubt that she overly exaggerated the events. They left her
quite shaken, confused, and feeling disempowered. She also felt despairing
about having a child.
I did not do constellation work with her, but worked in a Gestalt fashion,
in as practical and grounded way as I could, including supporting her to
make up her own mind about having a child. She had not been able to conceive
for a while, so I suggested some fertility tests, which she had not done yet.
The previous practitioner's work left me somewhat concerned that the
constellation process may have been abused. I am wondering what others think?
Vinay
