I save any presets in Sonar's preset system, not
in Waves. I adjust things in the inspector, then
hit enter on the plug-in in the FX bin and use
Sonar's load/save preset controls. Thos are
totally separate from the Waves ones in the plugins that are not accessible.
At 07:27 PM 12/22/2015, you wrote:
You are correct Chris. the values for Waves in the inspector are
pretty wacky in a lot of cases. I have version 9. I don't think it
matters.
So I went through a bunch of Waves plug-ins today with the inspector.
It doesn't appear as though the inspector sees the factory presets as
a parameter unless I'm really missing something.
This is Kind a unNerving for me. I've grown to love them and depend on
them certainly as a starting point over many years of using Waves in
SoundForge. Interestingly, with HSC in SF, the values make much more
sense. At least for the ones I use mostly.
That's also true for the one sweet spot I've created in Sonar for Waves Reverb.
Also, Chris, I think you said that you save your own presets right?
where do you find them to recall them?
Thanks,
Floyd...
On 12/22/15, Chris Smart <csmart8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> ok now i'm the one confused.
>
> You add effects to the FX Bin but access their
> parameters in the Inspector, that is, unless the
> effects have been scripted or hot spotted.
>
> Question: With the Waves stuff, have you found
> meaninful parameters displayed in the
> Inspector? A lot of the time here, I see
> accurate names, like attack and release and
> threshold on a compressor, but not real world
> values in dB and milliseconds. Often, I just see
> percentages. I guess it isn't a big problem
> since we're supposed to use our ears when
> adjusting things anyway, but the geek in me wants
> to know what's going on numerically. (grin)
>
> I have Waves version 8 stuff here. Perhaps things have improved with version
> 9?
>
> Chris
>
> At 11:24 AM 12/22/2015, you wrote:
>>Nope, I understood. MY response was misleading.
>>
>>My question is why is there a difference between the way the inspector
>>looks at vst parameters compared to just bringing them up from the
>>effects bin in Sonar or or the effects menu in SF?
>>
>>Are you saying that the inspector doesn't have a front end
>>(presentation) layer and the regular track effects does?
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Floyd...
>>
>>
>>On 12/22/15, Chris Smart <csmart8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > no no the plug-ins are listed. I'm talking about
>> > the parameters being exposed, which is why they
>> > show up in the Inspector in Sonar where you can adjust them.
>> >
>> > Sorry if I said plugins and meant parameters.
>> >
>> >
>> > At 09:54 AM 12/22/2015, you wrote:
>> >>Thanks all,
>> >>
>> >>I'll try the left and/or right bracket thing for changing on/off
>> >>switches in the inspector.
>> >>
>> >>Chris, I'm a bit confused about what you said about the inspector
>> >>exposing the third party plug-ins to the vst host within Sonar.
>> >>
>> >>Why would the inspector be necessary to expose them?
>> >>
>> >>I still have all of my Waves and some SoundForge plug-ins right there
>> >>in my VST list without using the inspector but most of the parameters
>> >>are not accessible. The same is true for Waves within SF. What's the
>> >>difference?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On 12/21/15, Chris Smart <csmart8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> > Hi Floyd.
>> >> > Parameters showing up in the Inspector is not a
>> >> > CakeTalking trick. They're just exposed to the
>> >> > VST host application, in this case, sonar.
>> >> >
>> >> > Try this:
>> >> > Really lean on left or right bracket for awhile
>> >> > and you can usually change the off/on type toggles just fine.
>> >> >
>> >> > Also, on any of the four parameters shown, simply
>> >> > hit the applications key. Then Up Arrow once to
>> >> > the "reassign Control" sub-menu, and hit a Right
>> >> > Arrow. Pick anything from the list and hit ENTER
>> >> > to have it now fill one of the four slots in the inspector.
>> >> >
>> >> > Chris
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > At 08:28 PM 12/21/2015, you wrote:
>> >> >>Hey Mike,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I've been trying the inspector after your suggestions the other day.
>> >> >>Works pretty well.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I haven't tried to get a second level of more than 4 parameters with
>> >> >>Waves yet though. I'm hoping the presets will become available as
>> >> >> one
>> >> >>of them. I'll find out tomorrow.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I'm noticing that some parameters with 'on' 'off' choices are stuck
>> >> >>'on'. They won't move.
>> >> >>I'm guessing this is due to other dependent parameters but not sure.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I have to admit I'm impressed though. I can't imagine how David
>> >> >> Pinto
>> >> >>scripted this to pull the parameter label names of third party
>> >> >>plug-ins.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I've tried to pull the parameter labels of Waves plug-ins in
>> >> >>SoundForge with HSC. No dice...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>thanks for your help,
>> >> >>Floyd...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>On 12/21/15, Mike Tyo <mtyo@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >> > I don't think so. Some DAWs have pitch shifting plugs that are
>> >> >> > better
>> >> >> > than
>> >> >> > others. The built-in algorithm in Sonar that deals with formant
>> >> >> > just
>> >> >> > doesn't cut the mustard. The VVocal editor is good, but it takes
>> >> >> > time
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > process tracks with it because you have to
>> >> >> deal with small chunks of data at
>> >> >> > a time. I'm sure there's stuff out there, but there may be
>> >> >> > accessibility
>> >> >> > issues; and you'll most likely be dealing with a fairly pricey
>> >> >> > plug
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > get
>> >> >> > the desired quality.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Any other thoughts?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Mike
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > From: Raywonder
>> >> >> > To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 13:07
>> >> >> > Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Fatter Sound & Remove Noise
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Hey man, not strange at all.
>> >> >> > I̢̮d use the same thinhing.
>>.
>> >>.
>> >> >> > I̢̮m in to producing hg hip-hop stuff.
>>.
>> >>.
>> >> >> > Here̢̮s one of them.
.
>>.
>> >>.
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > Aint nothing to me
>> >> >> > to get a idea of the type of stuff I do. :p
>> >> >> > I was gonna chime in to this and say Reaper
>> >> >> uses LSTique version 1 to 3 by
>> >> >> > default.
>> >> >> > And there pitch shifting plugins really good.
>> >> >> > Yes, at some point itÃÆââ¢ll fail after er a
>> >> sir tantan pitch, but it still
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > really really good.
>> >> >> > How come other peeps canÃÆâââ¢t make a
>>a
>> >> really smalmall installer like they
>> >> >> > do?
>> >> >> > And the best part, ReaperÃÆâââ¢s totally ly portable!
>> >>!
>> >> >> > So, a question for all.
>> >> >> > Because of how ReaperÃÆââ¢s built, is th that
>> >>t
>> >> >> meaning that there plugins wouldnÃÆâ¬t
>>t
>> >>t
>> >> >> > be as good as say, some like, Sonar?
>> >> >> > Just a thought.
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