Experience over forty years as a trauma therapist and five as a
constellator suggest that individuals with dissociated/encapsulated trauma
responses need individual therapy around that, and some degree of
integration of experiences, before doing group constellations work.
Wonderful that he felt safe enough with you Liz, to get down to this deeper
underlying personal and likely transgenerational, trauma. Check out Donald
Kalsched, The Inner World of Trauma and Trauma and the Human Soul, for
clearer understanding of encapsulated and dissociated parts of s/Self....
personal and collective.
Warmly
Eimear
Eimear O'Neill PhD
www.eimearoneill.com
‘If we surrendered/ to earth’s intelligence, we could rise up rooted, like
trees."Rainer Maria Rilke:
On 7 June 2017 at 01:45, Liz Jelinek lizjelinek@xxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Kara, thanks for your compassionate concern for this man. At the risk of
being banished from this group, he is so split off from most of his SELF as
described by Franz Ruppert. He has lived his entire life in a shadow,
merely showing up as a “Good Boy” and doing what he’s told to do—mostly by
his wife. I could feel his sadness as I read your post and I thank you for
reminding me that he, too is a victim. He is so guilt ridden at having
these thoughts, but was never able to express them until he’d reconciled a
lot.
When he openly admitted the lustful feelings for his daughter I asked him
directly if he thinks he might have actually violated her in some way. He
admitted that although he has no memory, he’s ready to explore the
possibility. I’m wondering if I should tackle this one at a workshop I’m
giving this weekend that’s mostly for beginners?
Thanks Kara
Liz Jelinek, PhD
On Jun 7, 2017, at 12:34 AM, Kara Fischerova klara_fischerova@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Oh wow. My heart goes out to him and his family💝
I represented a grandfather in a constellation once, who was pedophile.
The urge to "hump" the person in front of me that was in a child pose was
sooo strooong and I am a woman! I pulled the facilitator to the side
because I was so afraid I may be making it up!
His family did know that about him so the facilitator knew what to do.
It was a blind constellation for his grandchild and I didn't know whom I
represented.
The facilitator decided to go back in time when something happened and
grandfather (the perpetrator)was a victim.
The energy was so strong I literally had to lie down on the floor, face
down and I was rhythmically moving, my legs spread apart and tears
streaming down my face.
We let the energy move through for what was probably just not even a
minute but felt like 10 min as it was so intense and shocking, until it
ceased.
There wasn't a person in the room that didn't feel compassion for the
man. It was the most intense or touching role I ever represented. I can
never look at pedophiles with the judgment I felt prior to this
constellation. I get the transe they are in as well. Never experienced it
in any other role.
By having been witnessed so raw, the strong urge I felt before to hump
the grandchild subsided. The constellation was done for the grand son not
the grandfather. I believe the family came because the grand son was
violent.
The grandfather has never been with the grandchild. The family knew of the
danger. I don't know if his urge subsided but the child got better.
Hope it helps. Lots of love💝🌈✨
Klara
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 6, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Dr Liz Jelinek
lizjelinek@xxxxxxxxxxx[ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I have a male client who's 65+. He admitted to me finally that he has
feelings of lust for his married daughter. She's furious with him and
refuses to talk to him. She tells her mother he's impossible to be with so
she's staying away from all family functions until she "heals." I asked him
directly if he ever touched her inappropriately. He remembers nothing but
has agreed to work on that possibility.
He attends my Facilitator Training, regular and Trauma workshops and also
sees me individually.
I'd appreciate any suggestions. I work well with Playmobil figures in
individual sessions, but wonder what you folks recommend.
There's also evidence he may have been molested by a resident of the
facility for delinquent teenagers his father ran. The family lived right in
the facility and he admits being regularly left alone with several of these
troubled teens.
Thx for any feedback or suggestions. BTW he was separated from mom
following birth because he was so tiny.
Best Liz
Liz Jelinek, PhD
