Thanks Eimear. This admission is after a very long time of individual work with
me. He’s been to workshops but on the rare occasion he asks to do a
constellation he is so blocked that even the field reveals nothing only that
the parents appear to turn their back on him, but have a wonderful partnership
and are very much in love.
That’s not what I saw in these few constellations. I saw parents who did not
protect him, nurture him, nor did they have his back. He has been very
resistant to see this, but slowily he’s gaining a growing awareness of his
isolation.
Thanks for the book, I’ll be sure to get it. I’m dealing almost exclusively
with trauma clients now so I am sure it will be very useful.
Thanks to you and the rest who’ve responded. It’s helping me to “see” things
through additional eyes. Very helpful. Liz
Liz Jelinek, PhD
On Jun 7, 2017, at 5:41 AM, 'Eimear O'Neill' eimear@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Experience over forty years as a trauma therapist and five as a constellator
suggest that individuals with dissociated/encapsulated trauma responses need
individual therapy around that, and some degree of integration of
experiences, before doing group constellations work.
Wonderful that he felt safe enough with you Liz, to get down to this deeper
underlying personal and likely transgenerational, trauma. Check out Donald
Kalsched, The Inner World of Trauma and Trauma and the Human Soul, for
clearer understanding of encapsulated and dissociated parts of s/Self....
personal and collective.
Warmly
Eimear
Eimear O'Neill PhD
www.eimearoneill.com <http://www.eimearoneill.com/>
‘If we surrendered/ to earth’s intelligence, we could rise up rooted, like
trees."Rainer Maria Rilke:
On 7 June 2017 at 01:45, Liz Jelinek lizjelinek@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:lizjelinek@xxxxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Kara, thanks for your compassionate concern for this man. At the risk of
being banished from this group, he is so split off from most of his SELF as
described by Franz Ruppert. He has lived his entire life in a shadow, merely
showing up as a “Good Boy” and doing what he’s told to do—mostly by his wife.
I could feel his sadness as I read your post and I thank you for reminding me
that he, too is a victim. He is so guilt ridden at having these thoughts, but
was never able to express them until he’d reconciled a lot.
When he openly admitted the lustful feelings for his daughter I asked him
directly if he thinks he might have actually violated her in some way. He
admitted that although he has no memory, he’s ready to explore the
possibility. I’m wondering if I should tackle this one at a workshop I’m
giving this weekend that’s mostly for beginners?
Thanks Kara
Liz Jelinek, PhD
On Jun 7, 2017, at 12:34 AM, Kara Fischerova klara_fischerova@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:klara_fischerova@xxxxxxxxx>[ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Oh wow. My heart goes out to him and his family💝
I represented a grandfather in a constellation once, who was pedophile. The
urge to "hump" the person in front of me that was in a child pose was sooo
strooong and I am a woman! I pulled the facilitator to the side because I
was so afraid I may be making it up!
His family did know that about him so the facilitator knew what to do.
It was a blind constellation for his grandchild and I didn't know whom I
represented.
The facilitator decided to go back in time when something happened and
grandfather (the perpetrator)was a victim.
The energy was so strong I literally had to lie down on the floor, face
down and I was rhythmically moving, my legs spread apart and tears
streaming down my face.
We let the energy move through for what was probably just not even a minute
but felt like 10 min as it was so intense and shocking, until it ceased.
There wasn't a person in the room that didn't feel compassion for the man.
It was the most intense or touching role I ever represented. I can never
look at pedophiles with the judgment I felt prior to this constellation. I
get the transe they are in as well. Never experienced it in any other role.
By having been witnessed so raw, the strong urge I felt before to hump the
grandchild subsided. The constellation was done for the grand son not the
grandfather. I believe the family came because the grand son was violent.
The grandfather has never been with the grandchild. The family knew of the
danger. I don't know if his urge subsided but the child got better.
Hope it helps. Lots of love💝🌈✨
Klara
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On Jun 6, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Dr Liz Jelinek lizjelinek@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:lizjelinek@xxxxxxxxxxx>[ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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I have a male client who's 65+. He admitted to me finally that he has
feelings of lust for his married daughter. She's furious with him and
refuses to talk to him. She tells her mother he's impossible to be with so
she's staying away from all family functions until she "heals." I asked him
directly if he ever touched her inappropriately. He remembers nothing but
has agreed to work on that possibility.
He attends my Facilitator Training, regular and Trauma workshops and also
sees me individually.
I'd appreciate any suggestions. I work well with Playmobil figures in
individual sessions, but wonder what you folks recommend.
There's also evidence he may have been molested by a resident of the
facility for delinquent teenagers his father ran. The family lived right in
the facility and he admits being regularly left alone with several of these
troubled teens.
Thx for any feedback or suggestions. BTW he was separated from mom
following birth because he was so tiny.
Best Liz
Liz Jelinek, PhD
