[ddots-l] Re: Windows 10 Classic Theme

  • From: "Phil Muir" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 14:37:56 -0000

Dave. Cake Talking doesn't work with Windows 8 and beyond. Note: I am
aware that the Dancing Dots list is a list dedicated specifically to
products sold by Dancing Dots so won't labour the following point too much.
If you want to play with Sonar above Windows 7 then the best way to do that
would be to go the JSonar with HotSpotClicker rout as there is less to go
wrong there. E.G. JSonar is not at all finicky about anything such as
recording using the track view etc. Where you will have some issues though
is with using some HSC sets that depend on colour detection. Having said
that, we could easily fix those issues by using a different colour scheme in
those HSC sets on Windows 8 and beyond. Also, keep in mind that you will
need to dig into Sonar's manual and learn Sonar's keystrokes as most of the
Cake Talking keystrokes that you are used to using won't work because they
are Cake Talking specific.



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-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Dave Hillebrandt
Sent: 21 December 2015 13:43
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Windows 10 Classic Theme

Hi Phil, Perhaps you can help me to understand how this will effect my
use of caketalking with win. 8 or 10. As many are suggesting, i will
need to upgrade from win 7 to 8 or 10 before too long, and though I know
it doesn't work the way it should with the newer 8 and 10, wonder if
these changes effect the basic uses of the recording audio like simply
recording audio from a mic and not using midi. Is this possible with the
newer windows. Am currently not using hotspot clicker or anything like
that and primarily record with line in or mic so kind of hoping could
still get away with that on newer system. Do you know if this is
possible or would it not even be worth my time? Thanks in advance, Dave

On 12/21/2015 5:40 AM, Phil Muir wrote:

Agree with Steve on this :-) Think he is using colour to detect where we
are on screen. That would explain why CT throws a bit of a fit if
something
isn't quite write on screen. Note: HSC also does this if we are using
colour to report the status of a button E.G. enabled or disabled and if
that
changes for some reason E.G. a different colour than expected then HSC
will
throw a fit but in an even more spectacular fashion :-)



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-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Steve S
Sent: 21 December 2015 10:24
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Windows 10 Classic Theme

Thanks Bill. If you get a chance to ask him I'd be interested to know what
exactly the sticking point is, as I'd of thought position of co-ordinates
are determined by the screen res and not the theme? Could be wrong, but
there's obviously something that is making the change to Win 10
insurmountable, but I can't think what it is unless it is colour...but
colours can be changed of course. Best Steve.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 1:44 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Windows 10 Classic Theme

Good question for Mr. Pinto, Steve. But I believe it relies on the
Classic
theme for more than color. I believe it allows the scripts to accurately
predict X-Y positions of screen objects.

-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Steve S
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 5:32 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Windows 10 Classic Theme

Ok, so CT relies on the Classic theme, but what specifically is it relying
on? Is it just colour? Jaws is hopeless at determining colour in my
experience, as it's very flakey to say the least. HSC uses another DLL for
colour recognision, so just wondering what the sticking point is. Best
Steve.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 6:44 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Windows 10 Classic Theme

Hi,

If anyone finds a way to fabricate the Windows Classic theme in versions
of
Windows later than Windows7, please let us know. That is, if you can
fabricate the Windows Classic theme and make it so that CakeTalking works
as

it should. As far as I know, David Pinto tried and failed to create a
Windows Classic Theme that would work with CakeTalking under Windows8 and
later as it does with Windows7 and earlier.

Here's an entry we need to add to our CakeTalking FAQ page:

Will CakeTalking Work when Installed under Windows8 and 10?

Regretfully, CakeTalking will not run under Windows 10, Windows8. or 8.1.
If you want to upgrade to any of those versions of Windows from Windows7
or
earlier, our recommendation would be to set up some kind of dual boot so
that you would have the option to startup into Windows7 to use SONAR with
CakeTalking or into the newer version of Windows.

Microsoft dropped support for their Windows Classic theme with release of
Windows8. Since CakeTalking relies on that theme to know the position of
certain objects on the screen, major functions of CakeTalking fail under
Windows8 and 10.

Bill


-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Can Kirca
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 1:04 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Windows 10 Classic Theme

As an alternative, you can read following topic;

http://www.howtogeek.com/133405/how-to-get-classic-style-themes-back-on-wind
ows-8/

2015-12-20 19:40 GMT+02:00, Phil Muir <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
The Windows Classic theme doesn't exist in Windows 10. The only
option is to copy it from a Windows 7 install. However, keep in mind
that even if you can do that and get it working then you may well be
compramising other features in Windows 10.

On 20 December 2015 17:32:51 GMT+00:00, Roger Baccus
<rogerbaccus@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
How do I change to Windows Classic Theme in Windows 10? I read that it
is in the Privacy tab, but, I can't seem to get it! Please help.
CakeTalking is not happy!
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