[duxuser] Re: Dilemma, How to Train Sighted Staff to Do Braille using DBT

From: Londa Hauser <lhauser@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:29:04 -0400
Hi Steve,

Is there a way to get copies of your scripts?  Are they posted somewhere? 
 Perhaps the most important question, is there a charge for them?  Thanks.

Londa Hauser, Access Technology Specialist
Tri-County Association for the Blind
(717) 238-2531
lhauser@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.tricountyblind.org



-----Original Message-----
From:   Steve Dresser [SMTP:s.dresser@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent:   Friday, April 25, 2003 11:49 PM
To:     duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject:        [duxuser] Re: Dilemma, How to Train Sighted Staff to Do  
Braille 
using DBT

Hi Sylvie,

I usually do all my cleanup work in DBT, my assumption being that braille
will be my final product.  I wonder what DBT does with a whole group of
underlines in an imported Word document.  I'll have to experiment with that 
and see.  If it does what I hope it does, there might be a fairly easy and
fast way to clean things up.  Incidentally, I'm also totally blind, and am
using JFW 4.51.  I've written a couple of scripts and a couple of frames
that make DBT a bit easier to use, and I'd be happy to discuss them off
list with anyone who's interested.  I'll even discuss it here if enough
people want me to, but I hate to clutter up the list if only a few people 
care.

Steve

On Friday 4/25/03 20:31 Kaizen ESL Program wrote:
>Hi Steve,
>
>That is what I do too, when I know the underline is there in advance. I am
>totally blind so I can't know by just glancing at the document. I am using
>JAWS for Windows 3.5 and 4.5. When I read over a Microsoft Word document
>that I have scanned or that another teacher has shared with me, I try to
>remember to replace all underlines with nothing, or to replace them with
>dashes if that is more appropriate. JAWS doesn't usually speak the
>underlines because most of the time I am reading the Word document 
primarily
>for content and how clearly it is written, so I am usually using JAWS set 
to
>only speak some punctuation. I also try to remember to check for the other
>problems I mentioned earlier. If I forget, I catch the problem when I
>proofread the embossed braille copy. But, most sighted people who are
>relying on the braille translation program to give them an automatic 
braille
>copy don't do this, and are puzzled (some even a little annoyed) when I 
tell
>them that they need to take the underlines away or take the number signs
>away, etc.
>
>Sylvie Kashdan
>Instructor/Curriculum Coordinator
>KAIZEN PROGRAM for New English Learners with Visual Limitations
>810-A Hiawatha Place South
>Seattle, WA  98144
>phone:  (206) 784-5619
>email:  kaizen_esl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve Dresser" <s.dresser@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 9:50 AM
>Subject: [duxuser] Re: Dilemma, How to Train Sighted Staff to Do Braille
>using DBT
>
>
>On Thursday 4/24/03 17:42 George Bell wrote:
> >2) If the document contains the symbol for underline (that
> >is ___) to denote lines where people were supposed to write
> >by hand, to give answers to questions, etc. it will come out
> >with a series of dot 4 and dot 6, not a line at all, and
> >very messy looking to me, as well as being often confusing
> >to students.
>When I braille documents that have underlines like that, I just remove 
them
>and leave the rest of the line blank.  That way, if someone is filling out
>the form by inserting the page in a braille writer, he/she will have space
>for the answer.  I don't know if there's a rule for this, but I've just
>given you Steve's rule.
>
>Steve
>
>
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