[audacity4blind] Re: Selection with audacity
- From: Thomas Byskov Dalgaard <tbd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 09:02:16 +0100
Hi Manu!
Glad you got it to work! :-)
If you find any workarounds to my questions below please let me know, since
that could speed my workflow up in Audacity.
:-)
Best regards
Thomas
> Den 14/01/2015 kl. 08.14 skrev Manu <etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> Hi mister Thomas,
> I’m very happy to say you, it’s OK…
> I can select now with my new shortcuts….
> Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaankkkkkkkk yoooooouuuuuuuuuuuu
>
> Amicalement…
> ——————
>
> Manu
> - Mail : etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> - Skype : manu-dpk
>
> Découvres mes compositions personnelles sur mon site web officiel :
> http://www.manu-dpk.net <http://www.manu-dpk.net/>
>
> L'association DVRGV, c’est quoi ?
> Elle regroupe un ensemble de personnes passionnées par le son. Le but
> est de faire découvrir à tout individu passant par ici, des métiers, des
> ambiances sonores, à travers des reportages d’une quinzaine de minutes.
> Pour en savoir plus, c’est ici : http://www.dvrgv.org
> <http://www.dvrgv.org/>
>
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>> Le 14 janv. 2015 à 08:00, Manu <etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> a écrit :
>>
>> Thank you very much Thomas,
>> I will try t do it…
>> And I will come back to reply to you.
>> Thank again
>>
>> Amicalement…
>> ——————
>>
>> Manu
>> - Mail : etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> - Skype : manu-dpk
>>
>> Découvres mes compositions personnelles sur mon site web officiel :
>> http://www.manu-dpk.net <http://www.manu-dpk.net/>
>>
>> L'association DVRGV, c’est quoi ?
>> Elle regroupe un ensemble de personnes passionnées par le son. Le but
>> est de faire découvrir à tout individu passant par ici, des métiers, des
>> ambiances sonores, à travers des reportages d’une quinzaine de minutes.
>> Pour en savoir plus, c’est ici : http://www.dvrgv.org
>> <http://www.dvrgv.org/>
>>
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>> Respectons l’environnement ! Veuillez ne pas imprimer cet e-mail, si ce
>> n’est pas nécessaire.
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>>> Le 14 janv. 2015 à 07:35, Thomas Byskov Dalgaard <tbd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:tbd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hi Manu!
>>>
>>> Okay I think I know what’s going on here.
>>> The issue is that your keyboard may not have the bracket keys. My keyboard
>>> is a Danish keyboard, and doesn’t have those keys so therefor I changed
>>> them to something else.
>>> You can do this by exporting your keyboard settings to an xml-document and
>>> then edit this inTextedit on your Mac. It is possible perhaps to change
>>> this from the preferences in Audacity, but the keyboard area of the program
>>> is changed a little, and there might be small accessibility issues here. I
>>> do not use this area myself quite often, so I’m not sure. I did not find it
>>> very friendly to navigate at this time, when I just checked, so therefor I
>>> would suggest you export the keyboard shortcuts, that part is still easy to
>>> get to.
>>> 1. Go to Preferences
>>> 2. FInd in the tabel the item Keyboard.
>>> 3. Find the button called Export.
>>> 4. Save it as you do with other documents on your Mac, and then close
>>> Audacity.
>>> 5. Open it in Textedit.
>>> 6. Edit the following two lines:
>>> Left at playback position
>>> and:
>>> Right at playback position.
>>> There should be quotes around the bracket keys. DO NOT DELETE THOSE! Only
>>> delete the left and right bracket signs and replace them with g for left,
>>> and h for right.
>>> NOTE: You may have to use capitals letters for Audacity to get the hotkeys
>>> right. That was actually what I discovered after having this issue for
>>> YEARS, and I mean years literally!
>>> 7. Save your file and close Textedit.
>>> 8. Reopen Audacity, open preferences and find the keyboard section again.
>>> 9. FInd the “Import” button,and navigate to your file.
>>> 10. Choose to import it, and when you’re done select OK within the
>>> preferences of Audacity.
>>>
>>> That should do the trick.
>>> If you want, I can send my XML-document with the changed keys to you of
>>> list. I only changed these two keys, nothing else is changed.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Thomas
>>>> Den 14/01/2015 kl. 00.15 skrev Manu <etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> <mailto:etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>:
>>>>
>>>> Hi…
>>>> I’m very sorry but I can’t use selection with markers…
>>>> I can select just with interact with selection bar.
>>>> That’ it, I will work it like the method… It’s very sad…
>>>> Thank you for your help…
>>>>
>>>> Amicalement…
>>>> ——————
>>>>
>>>> Manu
>>>> - Mail : etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> - Skype : manu-dpk
>>>>
>>>> Découvres mes compositions personnelles sur mon site web officiel :
>>>> http://www.manu-dpk.net <http://www.manu-dpk.net/>
>>>>
>>>> L'association DVRGV, c’est quoi ?
>>>> Elle regroupe un ensemble de personnes passionnées par le son. Le but
>>>> est de faire découvrir à tout individu passant par ici, des métiers, des
>>>> ambiances sonores, à travers des reportages d’une quinzaine de minutes.
>>>> Pour en savoir plus, c’est ici : http://www.dvrgv.org
>>>> <http://www.dvrgv.org/>
>>>>
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>>>> Respectons l’environnement ! Veuillez ne pas imprimer cet e-mail, si ce
>>>> n’est pas nécessaire.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Le 13 janv. 2015 à 23:14, Thomas Byskov Dalgaard <tbd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> <mailto:tbd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Manu and others!
>>>>>
>>>>> Manu:
>>>>> I’m a Mac-user as well, and I have used Audacity for a couple of months.
>>>>> I have never got the selection bar to work probably due to some
>>>>> accessibility issues in Audacity whereVoiceover will not read the numbers
>>>>> if you do not use the Vo-keys and the arrow keys to read the numbers.
>>>>> David Bales has written an excellent introduction to Audacity for users
>>>>> of Jaws, but we can all benefit from this on the Mac too, so try to find
>>>>> this guide. It is located in the help under advanced, accessibility, I
>>>>> believe.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you are navigating Audacity you need to do this in a very windows
>>>>> fashion way. That is not a bad thing, it is just a little unusual
>>>>> compared to how you would use standard Mac applications.
>>>>> What you need to do is to move the Mac’s keyboard cursor along with the
>>>>> Voiceover cursor. That is done by pressing tab or shift-tab, as you do in
>>>>> Windows. That is very much needed in the preferences since you otherwise
>>>>> will miss some important informations, and the screen seems confusing. At
>>>>> least that was what my experience was when i first used Audacity.
>>>>>
>>>>> You will need to disable a certain checkbox inside the preferences that
>>>>> tells Audacity to select everything by default, as mentioned by others on
>>>>> this list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now to the selection issue:
>>>>> 1. Record your sound.
>>>>> 2. Playback by pressing spacebar.
>>>>> 3. When you are at the position where you want the selection to start
>>>>> press shift-a.
>>>>> 4. You can either press left bracket key to set the start of selection,
>>>>> or simply just press space again to start playback again. Now you’ll hear
>>>>> the sound from where the cursor is placed.
>>>>> 5. When you are at the position for the selection to end press the right
>>>>> bracket key… perhaps press P first to pause before you set the end of
>>>>> selection marker.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now you can press spacebar and hear the entire selection.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is how I do this most of the time.
>>>>> Sorry for making things a little confusing, but here I have some
>>>>> questions for selection as well:
>>>>> I wish it would be possible to hear what is before and after the
>>>>> selection, without removing the selection. I am not talking about the
>>>>> preview feature where you can press e to hear how the edit will sound.
>>>>> When I am selecting the last few seconds of a file I have an issue when I
>>>>> have moved the cursor with shift-a. I can not play back and go to the
>>>>> left of the cursor while I am playing the sound back. Another thing is
>>>>> that the increments the movements are sometimes are way to big, so
>>>>> instead of hearing the last four seconds, I hear 10 or 14 seconds instead.
>>>>> And lastly:
>>>>> … And if I set the cursor a wrong place with shift A I can’t get before
>>>>> that spot, as mentioned, and sometimes I just need to hear what’s coming
>>>>> up if I need to make some edits so the recording still sounds natural,
>>>>> and if I need to move the cursor back to an earlier spot I have to press
>>>>> home to get to the begining of the track instead of moving the cursof a
>>>>> little to the lfet or just be able to hear a little to the left of the
>>>>> cursor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>> Den 13/01/2015 kl. 19.41 skrev Manu <etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> <mailto:etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> Thank for your reply.
>>>>>> I tested theses following actions :
>>>>>> 1. R : to record my voice (OK)
>>>>>> 2. Space Bar : To play (OK)
>>>>>> 3. Shift+A : to pause and put cursor for my begin selection (OK)
>>>>>> 4. Right arrow Key few time : to adjust selection landscape bar to play
>>>>>> selection (OK)
>>>>>> 5. Delete :( Error) All content of my recording is deleted.
>>>>>> I see in selection bar and the piece of my recording is selected as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. R : to record my voice (OK)
>>>>>> 2. Space Bar : To play (OK)
>>>>>> 3. Shift+A : to pause and localise the begin selection (OK)
>>>>>> 4. Adjust selection with select bar : Begin selection to 000001seconds
>>>>>> to end selection 0000003S (OK)
>>>>>> 5. Delete (OK)
>>>>>> But this method is easier than the first method…
>>>>>> Haïe, Haïe, Haïe...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Amicalement…
>>>>>> ——————
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Manu
>>>>>> - Mail : etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> - Skype : manu-dpk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Découvres mes compositions personnelles sur mon site web officiel :
>>>>>> http://www.manu-dpk.net <http://www.manu-dpk.net/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> L'association DVRGV, c’est quoi ?
>>>>>> Elle regroupe un ensemble de personnes passionnées par le son. Le but
>>>>>> est de faire découvrir à tout individu passant par ici, des métiers, des
>>>>>> ambiances sonores, à travers des reportages d’une quinzaine de minutes.
>>>>>> Pour en savoir plus, c’est ici : http://www.dvrgv.org
>>>>>> <http://www.dvrgv.org/>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Respectons l’environnement ! Veuillez ne pas imprimer cet e-mail, si ce
>>>>>> n’est pas nécessaire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le 13 janv. 2015 à 18:32, vitorflash <vitorflash@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> <mailto:vitorflash@xxxxxxxxxx>> a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In windows, and using an english or US keeboard, you can use the left
>>>>>>> and right brackets to mark the beginning and end of a selection. In
>>>>>>> case of a different keeboard, you can probably change the kee assigned
>>>>>>> to the marks in the keeboard shortkuts dialog under the preferences
>>>>>>> menu; probably the same applies to mac as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Manu <mailto:etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 5:16 PM
>>>>>>> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Selection with audacity
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for your fast reply.
>>>>>>> Like Windows system, I can select and unselect my track… I’m verifying
>>>>>>> before editing my track…
>>>>>>> I d’ont understand why I can’t select easily with my arrow keys…
>>>>>>> Can we make any markers on a track like others sound editors ? Beginner
>>>>>>> marker and end markers… After we can delete that there’s between two
>>>>>>> markers ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Amicalement…
>>>>>>> ——————
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Manu
>>>>>>> - Mail : etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> - Skype : manu-dpk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Découvres mes compositions personnelles sur mon site web officiel :
>>>>>>> http://www.manu-dpk.net <http://www.manu-dpk.net/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> L'association DVRGV, c’est quoi ?
>>>>>>> Elle regroupe un ensemble de personnes passionnées par le son. Le but
>>>>>>> est de faire découvrir à tout individu passant par ici, des métiers,
>>>>>>> des ambiances sonores, à travers des reportages d’une quinzaine de
>>>>>>> minutes.
>>>>>>> Pour en savoir plus, c’est ici : http://www.dvrgv.org
>>>>>>> <http://www.dvrgv.org/>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Respectons l’environnement ! Veuillez ne pas imprimer cet e-mail, si ce
>>>>>>> n’est pas nécessaire.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Le 13 janv. 2015 à 17:46, vitorflash <vitorflash@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> <mailto:vitorflash@xxxxxxxxxx>> a écrit :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>>>> Well, i’m not a mac user and actually never used it, but i had the
>>>>>>>> same problem with the windows version.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reading the manual, i found that by default, at least in windows, all
>>>>>>>> the audio in a track is selected unless we actually make a selection.
>>>>>>>> So I followed the instructions and just went to the preferences menu
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> to the tracks dialog. Tabbing arround, there i found
>>>>>>>> Behaviors Select all audio in project, if none selected check box
>>>>>>>> checked, and unchecked it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, it’s important to press enter to actually select a track before
>>>>>>>> being able to edit the audio. I don’t really know if these rules apply
>>>>>>>> to the mac system, but hope that helps anyway.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Man
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 4:06 PM
>>>>>>>> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Selection with audacity
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> I’m a new user of Audacity.
>>>>>>>> I’m mac user.
>>>>>>>> So I’d like to select a pice of record on one track. For example,
>>>>>>>> begin selection at 00:00:03 to end selection at 00:00:03.
>>>>>>>> I can use selection bar but if I want be more perfect I must adjust
>>>>>>>> selection with Shift+right arrow or Shift+left Arrow or
>>>>>>>> Shift+Command+Right arrow and Shift+Command+Left Arrow.
>>>>>>>> But when I want to make selection with arrow key, if I delete
>>>>>>>> selection, all content of my track is deleted. Before, I see in
>>>>>>>> selection bar what it’s select and my selection is good.
>>>>>>>> Please, tell me if I forget something to delete juste my selection and
>>>>>>>> not all content of track !!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’m french lol… Sorry for my bad english…
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Amicalement…
>>>>>>>> ——————
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Manu
>>>>>>>> - Mail : etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> - Skype : manu-dpk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Découvres mes compositions personnelles sur mon site web officiel :
>>>>>>>> http://www.manu-dpk.net <http://www.manu-dpk.net/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> L'association DVRGV, c’est quoi ?
>>>>>>>> Elle regroupe un ensemble de personnes passionnées par le son. Le but
>>>>>>>> est de faire découvrir à tout individu passant par ici, des métiers,
>>>>>>>> des ambiances sonores, à travers des reportages d’une quinzaine de
>>>>>>>> minutes.
>>>>>>>> Pour en savoir plus, c’est ici : http://www.dvrgv.org
>>>>>>>> <http://www.dvrgv.org/>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Respectons l’environnement ! Veuillez ne pas imprimer cet e-mail, si
>>>>>>>> ce n’est pas nécessaire.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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