[audacity4blind] Re: Selection with audacity
- From: Thomas Byskov Dalgaard <tbd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 19:28:36 +0100
Hi David!
Thank you so much for an interesting answer.
My problem may be that I am used to do something like the following when I'm
editing:
When I have found the start of the edit I set a marker. In Audacity this would
be the left bracket key.
I then listen until I find the place where I want to make the end of the edit,
so I push the right bracket key.
Now I want to adjust the start and finish of the edit.
And here I find it a little hard inside Audacity. I get the idea that I can
move by shift and the arrowkeys to extend the length of the selected audio and
CTRL-shift and the arrowkeys to decrease the length of the audio.
What I would like to do is the following:
Instead of listening to the entire selected audio I wish there was a keystroke
that would play where the start or the end of the selection was, so I could
adjust this a little easier. Now I find myself listening over and over to the
same audio and it takes a little longer to get the edits right.
I can use the C-key but if I do this in the start of a file Audacity raws
something at me like distorsion because there is nothing to play before the
time 0:00.
I believe I could do something that would make my edits a lot easier, but
haven't figured out the bst way of doing this. Do you have any suggestions?
Best regards
Thomas
> Den 16/01/2015 kl. 19.49 skrev David Bailes <david_bailes@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> Hi Thomas,
> this is replying to some of the problems that you have with positioning the
> cursor, and selecting audio. Here are one or two things that you may or may
> not be aware of.
> 1. You can change the size of the step when you move the cursor using
> left/right arrow, or adjust the selected time range using shift + left/right
> arrow and ctrl+shift+left/right arrow. This is done by adjusting the zoom
> level - commands and shortcuts are on the view menu. More details are given
> in my Jaws guide: In the "moving the cursor section", there's a "step size of
> the left and right arrow keys" sub section.
>
> 2. When there's no playback you can move the cursor backward and forward in
> small steps using the keys comma and period respectively. And in larger steps
> using shift+comma and shift+period. These two step sizes share the same
> values as those used to seek forward and backwards during playback, and can
> be set in the playback category of preferences.
>
> 3. If you're wanting to position the cursor when the exact position depends
> on the audio leading up to the cursor position, one way of doing this would
> be as follows. Select a time range which starts a few seconds before this
> position and ends at the position. You can then adjust the end of the
> selection whilst being able to listen to the audio up to it. You can then
> press right arrow, which deselects the time range and positions the cursor at
> the end of the deselected time range.
>
> David.
>
>
> On Tuesday, 13 January 2015, 22:14, Thomas Byskov Dalgaard
> <tbd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Manu and others!
>
> Manu:
> I’m a Mac-user as well, and I have used Audacity for a couple of months.
> I have never got the selection bar to work probably due to some accessibility
> issues in Audacity whereVoiceover will not read the numbers if you do not use
> the Vo-keys and the arrow keys to read the numbers.
> David Bales has written an excellent introduction to Audacity for users of
> Jaws, but we can all benefit from this on the Mac too, so try to find this
> guide. It is located in the help under advanced, accessibility, I believe.
>
> When you are navigating Audacity you need to do this in a very windows
> fashion way. That is not a bad thing, it is just a little unusual compared
> to how you would use standard Mac applications.
> What you need to do is to move the Mac’s keyboard cursor along with the
> Voiceover cursor. That is done by pressing tab or shift-tab, as you do in
> Windows. That is very much needed in the preferences since you otherwise will
> miss some important informations, and the screen seems confusing. At least
> that was what my experience was when i first used Audacity.
>
> You will need to disable a certain checkbox inside the preferences that tells
> Audacity to select everything by default, as mentioned by others on this list.
>>
>>
>> Now to the selection issue:
>> 1. Record your sound.
>> 2. Playback by pressing spacebar.
>> 3. When you are at the position where you want the selection to start press
>> shift-a.
>> 4. You can either press left bracket key to set the start of selection, or
>> simply just press space again to start playback again. Now you’ll hear the
>> sound from where the cursor is placed.
>> 5. When you are at the position for the selection to end press the right
>> bracket key… perhaps press P first to pause before you set the end of
>> selection marker.
>>
>>
>> Now you can press spacebar and hear the entire selection.
>>
>>
>> That is how I do this most of the time.
>> Sorry for making things a little confusing, but here I have some questions
>> for selection as well:
>> I wish it would be possible to hear what is before and after the selection,
>> without removing the selection. I am not talking about the preview feature
>> where you can press e to hear how the edit will sound.
>> When I am selecting the last few seconds of a file I have an issue when I
>> have moved the cursor with shift-a. I can not play back and go to the left
>> of the cursor while I am playing the sound back. Another thing is that the
>> increments the movements are sometimes are way to big, so instead of hearing
>> the last four seconds, I hear 10 or 14 seconds instead.
>> And lastly:
>> … And if I set the cursor a wrong place with shift A I can’t get before that
>> spot, as mentioned, and sometimes I just need to hear what’s coming up if I
>> need to make some edits so the recording still sounds natural, and if I need
>> to move the cursor back to an earlier spot I have to press home to get to
>> the begining of the track instead of moving the cursof a little to the lfet
>> or just be able to hear a little to the left of the cursor.
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>> Thomas
> Den 13/01/2015 kl. 19.41 skrev Manu <etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>
> Hi,
> Thank for your reply.
> I tested theses following actions :
> 1. R : to record my voice (OK)
> 2. Space Bar : To play (OK)
> 3. Shift+A : to pause and put cursor for my begin selection (OK)
> 4. Right arrow Key few time : to adjust selection landscape bar to play
> selection (OK)
> 5. Delete :( Error) All content of my recording is deleted.
> I see in selection bar and the piece of my recording is selected as well.
>
> 1. R : to record my voice (OK)
> 2. Space Bar : To play (OK)
> 3. Shift+A : to pause and localise the begin selection (OK)
> 4. Adjust selection with select bar : Begin selection to 000001seconds to end
> selection 0000003S (OK)
> 5. Delete (OK)
> But this method is easier than the first method…
> Haïe, Haïe, Haïe...
>
> Amicalement…
> ——————
>
> Manu
> - Mail : etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> - Skype : manu-dpk
>
> Découvres mes compositions personnelles sur mon site web officiel :
> http://www.manu-dpk.net
>
> L'association DVRGV, c’est quoi ?
> Elle regroupe un ensemble de personnes passionnées par le son. Le but est de
> faire découvrir à tout individu passant par ici, des métiers, des ambiances
> sonores, à travers des reportages d’une quinzaine de minutes.
> Pour en savoir plus, c’est ici : http://www.dvrgv.org
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>
>
> Le 13 janv. 2015 à 18:32, vitorflash <vitorflash@xxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>>
> In windows, and using an english or US keeboard, you can use the left and
> right brackets to mark the beginning and end of a selection. In case of a
> different keeboard, you can probably change the kee assigned to the marks in
> the
> keeboard shortkuts dialog under the preferences menu; probably the same
> applies
> to mac as well.
> From: Manu
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 5:16 PM
> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Selection with
> audacity
> Thank
> you for your fast reply.
> Like Windows system, I can select and unselect my track… I’m verifying
> before editing my track…
> I d’ont understand why I can’t select easily with my arrow
> keys…
> Can we make any markers on a track like others sound editors ? Beginner
> marker and end markers… After we can delete that there’s between two
> markers ?
>
> Amicalement…
> ——————
>
> Manu
> - Mail : etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> - Skype :
> manu-dpk
>
> Découvres mes compositions personnelles sur mon
> site web officiel : http://www.manu-dpk.net
>
> L'association DVRGV, c’est
> quoi ?
> Elle
> regroupe un ensemble de personnes passionnées par le son. Le but est de faire
> découvrir à tout individu passant par ici, des métiers, des ambiances
> sonores, à
> travers des reportages d’une quinzaine de minutes.
> Pour en savoir plus, c’est
> ici : http://www.dvrgv.org
>
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> Respectons
> l’environnement ! Veuillez ne pas imprimer cet e-mail, si ce n’est pas
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>
>
>
>
> Le 13 janv. 2015 à 17:46, vitorflash <vitorflash@xxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>>
>> Hello.
>> Well, i’m not a mac user and actually never used it, but i had the same
>> problem with the windows version.
>>
>> Reading the manual, i found that by default, at least in windows, all the
>> audio in a track is selected unless we actually make a selection.
>> So I followed the instructions and just went to the preferences menu and to
>> the tracks dialog. Tabbing arround, there i found
>> Behaviors Select all audio in project, if none selected check box checked,
>> and unchecked it.
>>
>>
>> Also, it’s important to press enter to actually select a track before being
>> able to edit the audio. I don’t really know if these rules apply to the mac
>> system, but hope that helps anyway.
>>
>> From: Man
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 4:06 PM
>> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Selection with audacity
>> Hi,
>> I’m a new user of Audacity.
>> I’m mac user.
>> So I’d like to select a pice of record on one track. For example, begin
>> selection at 00:00:03 to end selection at 00:00:03.
>> I can use selection bar but if I want be more perfect I must adjust
>> selection with Shift+right arrow or Shift+left Arrow or Shift+Command+Right
>> arrow and Shift+Command+Left Arrow.
>> But when I want to make selection with arrow key, if I delete selection,
>> all content of my track is deleted. Before, I see in selection bar what it’s
>> select and my selection is good.
>> Please, tell me if I forget something to delete juste my selection and not
>> all content of track !!!
>>
>> I’m french lol… Sorry for my bad english…
>>
>> Amicalement…
>> ——————
>>
>> Manu
>> - Mail : etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> - Skype :
> manu-dpk
>>
>> Découvres mes compositions personnelles sur mon site web officiel :
>> http://www.manu-dpk.net
>>
>> L'association DVRGV, c’est quoi ?
>> Elle regroupe un ensemble de personnes passionnées par le son. Le but est
>> de faire découvrir à tout individu passant par ici, des métiers, des
>> ambiances sonores, à travers des reportages d’une quinzaine de minutes.
>> Pour en savoir plus, c’est ici : http://www.dvrgv.org
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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