[audacity4blind] Re: Selection with audacity
- From: David Bailes <david_bailes@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 14:07:42 +0000 (UTC)
Hi Thomas,
concerning the problem with pressing the letter c for play cut/preview. If I
select a time range which starts at time zero, and press c, all I get is a
delay before hearing the audio after the selected time range - I don't hear any
distortion.
You can change the length of playback before and after in the playback category
of preferences. So if you wanted to hear the audio after the selection, you
could set the preview before cut region to zero.
Unfortunately there currently isn't a command to play the audio just before the
end of a selection. One work around for this would be:
1. choose region save on the edit menu.
2. press right arrow to move the cursor to the end of the selected time range,
and deselect the time range.
3. hold down shift+left arrow for a second or two to move the start of
selection a little earlier.
4. press spacebar to play.
5. choose region restore on the edit menu.
David.
On Tuesday, 20 January 2015, 18:28, Thomas Byskov Dalgaard
<tbd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi David!
Thank you so much for an interesting answer.
My problem may be that I am used to do something like the following when I'm
editing:
When I have found the start of the edit I set a marker. In Audacity this would
be the left bracket key.
I then listen until I find the place where I want to make the end of the edit,
so I push the right bracket key.
Now I want to adjust the start and finish of the edit.
And here I find it a little hard inside Audacity. I get the idea that I can
move by shift and the arrowkeys to extend the length of the selected audio and
CTRL-shift and the arrowkeys to decrease the length of the audio.
What I would like to do is the following:
Instead of listening to the entire selected audio I wish there was a keystroke
that would play where the start or the end of the selection was, so I could
adjust this a little easier. Now I find myself listening over and over to the
same audio and it takes a little longer to get the edits right.
I can use the C-key but if I do this in the start of a file Audacity raws
something at me like distorsion because there is nothing to play before the
time 0:00.
I believe I could do something that would make my edits a lot easier, but
haven't figured out the bst way of doing this. Do you have any suggestions?
Best regards
Thomas
> Den 16/01/2015 kl. 19.49 skrev David Bailes <david_bailes@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> Hi Thomas,
> this is replying to some of the problems that you have with positioning the
> cursor, and selecting audio. Here are one or two things that you may or may
> not be aware of.
> 1. You can change the size of the step when you move the cursor using
> left/right arrow, or adjust the selected time range using shift + left/right
> arrow and ctrl+shift+left/right arrow. This is done by adjusting the zoom
> level - commands and shortcuts are on the view menu. More details are given
> in my Jaws guide: In the "moving the cursor section", there's a "step size of
> the left and right arrow keys" sub section.
>
> 2. When there's no playback you can move the cursor backward and forward in
> small steps using the keys comma and period respectively. And in larger steps
> using shift+comma and shift+period. These two step sizes share the same
> values as those used to seek forward and backwards during playback, and can
> be set in the playback category of preferences.
>
> 3. If you're wanting to position the cursor when the exact position depends
> on the audio leading up to the cursor position, one way of doing this would
> be as follows. Select a time range which starts a few seconds before this
> position and ends at the position. You can then adjust the end of the
> selection whilst being able to listen to the audio up to it. You can then
> press right arrow, which deselects the time range and positions the cursor at
> the end of the deselected time range.
>
> David.
>
>
> On Tuesday, 13 January 2015, 22:14, Thomas Byskov Dalgaard
> <tbd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Manu and others!
>
> Manu:
> I’m a Mac-user as well, and I have used Audacity for a couple of months.
> I have never got the selection bar to work probably due to some accessibility
> issues in Audacity whereVoiceover will not read the numbers if you do not use
> the Vo-keys and the arrow keys to read the numbers.
> David Bales has written an excellent introduction to Audacity for users of
> Jaws, but we can all benefit from this on the Mac too, so try to find this
> guide. It is located in the help under advanced, accessibility, I believe.
>
> When you are navigating Audacity you need to do this in a very windows
> fashion way. That is not a bad thing, it is just a little unusual compared
> to how you would use standard Mac applications.
> What you need to do is to move the Mac’s keyboard cursor along with the
> Voiceover cursor. That is done by pressing tab or shift-tab, as you do in
> Windows. That is very much needed in the preferences since you otherwise will
> miss some important informations, and the screen seems confusing. At least
> that was what my experience was when i first used Audacity.
>
> You will need to disable a certain checkbox inside the preferences that tells
> Audacity to select everything by default, as mentioned by others on this list.
>>
>>
>> Now to the selection issue:
>> 1. Record your sound.
>> 2. Playback by pressing spacebar.
>> 3. When you are at the position where you want the selection to start press
>> shift-a.
>> 4. You can either press left bracket key to set the start of selection, or
>> simply just press space again to start playback again. Now you’ll hear the
>> sound from where the cursor is placed.
>> 5. When you are at the position for the selection to end press the right
>> bracket key… perhaps press P first to pause before you set the end of
>> selection marker.
>>
>>
>> Now you can press spacebar and hear the entire selection.
>>
>>
>> That is how I do this most of the time.
>> Sorry for making things a little confusing, but here I have some questions
>> for selection as well:
>> I wish it would be possible to hear what is before and after the selection,
>> without removing the selection. I am not talking about the preview feature
>> where you can press e to hear how the edit will sound.
>> When I am selecting the last few seconds of a file I have an issue when I
>> have moved the cursor with shift-a. I can not play back and go to the left
>> of the cursor while I am playing the sound back. Another thing is that the
>> increments the movements are sometimes are way to big, so instead of hearing
>> the last four seconds, I hear 10 or 14 seconds instead.
>> And lastly:
>> … And if I set the cursor a wrong place with shift A I can’t get before that
>> spot, as mentioned, and sometimes I just need to hear what’s coming up if I
>> need to make some edits so the recording still sounds natural, and if I need
>> to move the cursor back to an earlier spot I have to press home to get to
>> the begining of the track instead of moving the cursof a little to the lfet
>> or just be able to hear a little to the left of the cursor.
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>> Thomas
> Den 13/01/2015 kl. 19.41 skrev Manu <etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>
> Hi,
> Thank for your reply.
> I tested theses following actions :
> 1. R : to record my voice (OK)
> 2. Space Bar : To play (OK)
> 3. Shift+A : to pause and put cursor for my begin selection (OK)
> 4. Right arrow Key few time : to adjust selection landscape bar to play
> selection (OK)
> 5. Delete :( Error) All content of my recording is deleted.
> I see in selection bar and the piece of my recording is selected as well.
>
> 1. R : to record my voice (OK)
> 2. Space Bar : To play (OK)
> 3. Shift+A : to pause and localise the begin selection (OK)
> 4. Adjust selection with select bar : Begin selection to 000001seconds to end
> selection 0000003S (OK)
> 5. Delete (OK)
> But this method is easier than the first method…
> Haïe, Haïe, Haïe...
>
> Amicalement…
> ——————
>
> Manu
> - Mail : etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> - Skype : manu-dpk
>
> Découvres mes compositions personnelles sur mon site web officiel :
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> L'association DVRGV, c’est quoi ?
> Elle regroupe un ensemble de personnes passionnées par le son. Le but est de
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>
>
> Le 13 janv. 2015 à 18:32, vitorflash <vitorflash@xxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>>
> In windows, and using an english or US keeboard, you can use the left and
> right brackets to mark the beginning and end of a selection. In case of a
> different keeboard, you can probably change the kee assigned to the marks in
> the
> keeboard shortkuts dialog under the preferences menu; probably the same
> applies
> to mac as well.
> From: Manu
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 5:16 PM
> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Selection with
> audacity
> Thank
> you for your fast reply.
> Like Windows system, I can select and unselect my track… I’m verifying
> before editing my track…
> I d’ont understand why I can’t select easily with my arrow
> keys…
> Can we make any markers on a track like others sound editors ? Beginner
> marker and end markers… After we can delete that there’s between two
> markers ?
>
> Amicalement…
> ——————
>
> Manu
> - Mail : etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> - Skype :
> manu-dpk
>
> Découvres mes compositions personnelles sur mon
> site web officiel : http://www.manu-dpk.net
>
> L'association DVRGV, c’est
> quoi ?
> Elle
> regroupe un ensemble de personnes passionnées par le son. Le but est de faire
> découvrir à tout individu passant par ici, des métiers, des ambiances
> sonores, à
> travers des reportages d’une quinzaine de minutes.
> Pour en savoir plus, c’est
> ici : http://www.dvrgv.org
>
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> Respectons
> l’environnement ! Veuillez ne pas imprimer cet e-mail, si ce n’est pas
> nécessaire.
>
>
>
>
> Le 13 janv. 2015 à 17:46, vitorflash <vitorflash@xxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>>
>> Hello.
>> Well, i’m not a mac user and actually never used it, but i had the same
>> problem with the windows version.
>>
>> Reading the manual, i found that by default, at least in windows, all the
>> audio in a track is selected unless we actually make a selection.
>> So I followed the instructions and just went to the preferences menu and to
>> the tracks dialog. Tabbing arround, there i found
>> Behaviors Select all audio in project, if none selected check box checked,
>> and unchecked it.
>>
>>
>> Also, it’s important to press enter to actually select a track before being
>> able to edit the audio. I don’t really know if these rules apply to the mac
>> system, but hope that helps anyway.
>>
>> From: Man
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 4:06 PM
>> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Selection with audacity
>> Hi,
>> I’m a new user of Audacity.
>> I’m mac user.
>> So I’d like to select a pice of record on one track. For example, begin
>> selection at 00:00:03 to end selection at 00:00:03.
>> I can use selection bar but if I want be more perfect I must adjust
>> selection with Shift+right arrow or Shift+left Arrow or Shift+Command+Right
>> arrow and Shift+Command+Left Arrow.
>> But when I want to make selection with arrow key, if I delete selection,
>> all content of my track is deleted. Before, I see in selection bar what it’s
>> select and my selection is good.
>> Please, tell me if I forget something to delete juste my selection and not
>> all content of track !!!
>>
>> I’m french lol… Sorry for my bad english…
>>
>> Amicalement…
>> ——————
>>
>> Manu
>> - Mail : etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> - Skype :
> manu-dpk
>>
>> Découvres mes compositions personnelles sur mon site web officiel :
>> http://www.manu-dpk.net
>>
>> L'association DVRGV, c’est quoi ?
>> Elle regroupe un ensemble de personnes passionnées par le son. Le but est
>> de faire découvrir à tout individu passant par ici, des métiers, des
>> ambiances sonores, à travers des reportages d’une quinzaine de minutes.
>> Pour en savoir plus, c’est ici : http://www.dvrgv.org
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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