[audacity4blind] Re: Selection with audacity
- From: David Bailes <david_bailes@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 18:49:23 +0000 (UTC)
Hi Thomas,
this is replying to some of the problems that you have with positioning the
cursor, and selecting audio. Here are one or two things that you may or may not
be aware of.
1. You can change the size of the step when you move the cursor using
left/right arrow, or adjust the selected time range using shift + left/right
arrow and ctrl+shift+left/right arrow. This is done by adjusting the zoom level
- commands and shortcuts are on the view menu. More details are given in my
Jaws guide: In the "moving the cursor section", there's a "step size of the
left and right arrow keys" sub section.
2. When there's no playback you can move the cursor backward and forward in
small steps using the keys comma and period respectively. And in larger steps
using shift+comma and shift+period. These two step sizes share the same values
as those used to seek forward and backwards during playback, and can be set in
the playback category of preferences.
3. If you're wanting to position the cursor when the exact position depends on
the audio leading up to the cursor position, one way of doing this would be as
follows. Select a time range which starts a few seconds before this position
and ends at the position. You can then adjust the end of the selection whilst
being able to listen to the audio up to it. You can then press right arrow,
which deselects the time range and positions the cursor at the end of the
deselected time range.
David.
On Tuesday, 13 January 2015, 22:14, Thomas Byskov Dalgaard
<tbd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Manu and others!
Manu:
I’m a Mac-user as well, and I have used Audacity for a couple of months.
I have never got the selection bar to work probably due to some accessibility
issues in Audacity whereVoiceover will not read the numbers if you do not use
the Vo-keys and the arrow keys to read the numbers.
David Bales has written an excellent introduction to Audacity for users of
Jaws, but we can all benefit from this on the Mac too, so try to find this
guide. It is located in the help under advanced, accessibility, I believe.
When you are navigating Audacity you need to do this in a very windows fashion
way. That is not a bad thing, it is just a little unusual compared to how you
would use standard Mac applications.
What you need to do is to move the Mac’s keyboard cursor along with the
Voiceover cursor. That is done by pressing tab or shift-tab, as you do in
Windows. That is very much needed in the preferences since you otherwise will
miss some important informations, and the screen seems confusing. At least that
was what my experience was when i first used Audacity.
You will need to disable a certain checkbox inside the preferences that tells
Audacity to select everything by default, as mentioned by others on this list.
>
>
>Now to the selection issue:
>1. Record your sound.
>2. Playback by pressing spacebar.
>3. When you are at the position where you want the selection to start press
>shift-a.
>4. You can either press left bracket key to set the start of selection, or
>simply just press space again to start playback again. Now you’ll hear the
>sound from where the cursor is placed.
>5. When you are at the position for the selection to end press the right
>bracket key… perhaps press P first to pause before you set the end of
>selection marker.
>
>
>Now you can press spacebar and hear the entire selection.
>
>
>That is how I do this most of the time.
>Sorry for making things a little confusing, but here I have some questions for
>selection as well:
>I wish it would be possible to hear what is before and after the selection,
>without removing the selection. I am not talking about the preview feature
>where you can press e to hear how the edit will sound.
>When I am selecting the last few seconds of a file I have an issue when I have
>moved the cursor with shift-a. I can not play back and go to the left of the
>cursor while I am playing the sound back. Another thing is that the increments
>the movements are sometimes are way to big, so instead of hearing the last
>four seconds, I hear 10 or 14 seconds instead.
>And lastly:
>… And if I set the cursor a wrong place with shift A I can’t get before that
>spot, as mentioned, and sometimes I just need to hear what’s coming up if I
>need to make some edits so the recording still sounds natural, and if I need
>to move the cursor back to an earlier spot I have to press home to get to the
>begining of the track instead of moving the cursof a little to the lfet or
>just be able to hear a little to the left of the cursor.
>
>
>Best regards
>Thomas
Den 13/01/2015 kl. 19.41 skrev Manu <etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
Hi,
Thank for your reply.
I tested theses following actions :
1. R : to record my voice (OK)
2. Space Bar : To play (OK)
3. Shift+A : to pause and put cursor for my begin selection (OK)
4. Right arrow Key few time : to adjust selection landscape bar to play
selection (OK)
5. Delete :( Error) All content of my recording is deleted.
I see in selection bar and the piece of my recording is selected as well.
1. R : to record my voice (OK)
2. Space Bar : To play (OK)
3. Shift+A : to pause and localise the begin selection (OK)
4. Adjust selection with select bar : Begin selection to 000001seconds to end
selection 0000003S (OK)
5. Delete (OK)
But this method is easier than the first method…
Haïe, Haïe, Haïe...
Amicalement…
——————
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Le 13 janv. 2015 à 18:32, vitorflash <vitorflash@xxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>
In windows, and using an english or US keeboard, you can use the left and
right brackets to mark the beginning and end of a selection. In case of a
different keeboard, you can probably change the kee assigned to the marks in
the
keeboard shortkuts dialog under the preferences menu; probably the same applies
to mac as well.
From: Manu
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 5:16 PM
To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Selection with
audacity
Thank
you for your fast reply.
Like Windows system, I can select and unselect my track… I’m verifying
before editing my track…
I d’ont understand why I can’t select easily with my arrow
keys…
Can we make any markers on a track like others sound editors ? Beginner
marker and end markers… After we can delete that there’s between two
markers ?
Amicalement…
——————
Manu
- Mail : etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx
- Skype :
manu-dpk
Découvres mes compositions personnelles sur mon
site web officiel : http://www.manu-dpk.net
L'association DVRGV, c’est
quoi ?
Elle
regroupe un ensemble de personnes passionnées par le son. Le but est de faire
découvrir à tout individu passant par ici, des métiers, des ambiances sonores,
à
travers des reportages d’une quinzaine de minutes.
Pour en savoir plus, c’est
ici : http://www.dvrgv.org
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Le 13 janv. 2015 à 17:46, vitorflash <vitorflash@xxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>
>Hello.
>Well, i’m not a mac user and actually never used it, but i had the same
>problem with the windows version.
>
>Reading the manual, i found that by default, at least in windows, all the
>audio in a track is selected unless we actually make a selection.
>So I followed the instructions and just went to the preferences menu and to
>the tracks dialog. Tabbing arround, there i found
>Behaviors Select all audio in project, if none selected check box checked,
>and unchecked it.
>
>
>Also, it’s important to press enter to actually select a track before being
>able to edit the audio. I don’t really know if these rules apply to the mac
>system, but hope that helps anyway.
>
>From: Man
>Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 4:06 PM
>To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [audacity4blind] Selection with audacity
> Hi,
>I’m a new user of Audacity.
>I’m mac user.
>So I’d like to select a pice of record on one track. For example, begin
>selection at 00:00:03 to end selection at 00:00:03.
>I can use selection bar but if I want be more perfect I must adjust selection
>with Shift+right arrow or Shift+left Arrow or Shift+Command+Right arrow and
>Shift+Command+Left Arrow.
>But when I want to make selection with arrow key, if I delete selection, all
>content of my track is deleted. Before, I see in selection bar what it’s
>select and my selection is good.
>Please, tell me if I forget something to delete juste my selection and not
>all content of track !!!
>
>I’m french lol… Sorry for my bad english…
>
>Amicalement…
>——————
>
>Manu
>- Mail : etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>- Skype :
manu-dpk
>
>Découvres mes compositions personnelles sur mon site web officiel :
>http://www.manu-dpk.net
>
>L'association DVRGV, c’est quoi ?
>Elle regroupe un ensemble de personnes passionnées par le son. Le but est de
>faire découvrir à tout individu passant par ici, des métiers, des ambiances
>sonores, à travers des reportages d’une quinzaine de minutes.
>Pour en savoir plus, c’est ici : http://www.dvrgv.org
>
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