Hi Omar, You can try, Panning the same or similar sounds around 65 - 85% left and right, that's very affective. Also try putting a reverb on it's own bus, using the sonitus Reverb as we have good access to the parameters. Go to slapback preset and change the Predelay I believe the default is around 200, that's way too much. You may need to take it down to around 25 or less. the Decay time will also need to be less than 0.5 which I believe will be the default.. Play with high dampening, Dry and early reflection as these will help home in the sound you want. Now, pan first the drum sound itself either left or right around 35 50%. output the drum sound to the Reverb bus. Pan reverb bus opposite direction to the drum pan, again, around the 35 - 50% This will give a slightly softer sound than the example above. Omar, I know I've over explained, the reason for this is, there are several new people on this list that must think Sonar has it's own language. Well, I guess in a kind of way it does. I've never been good with languages, I struggle with English ha ha. Steve W ----- Original Message ----- From: Omar Binno To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 3:21 AM Subject: [ddots-l] drums a wider sound Hello, I've gotten the art of making my drums sound decent as far as punchiness, bass, loudness, etc. What i'm wondering, though, is what's a good way to make them sound wider? I know drums aren't usually recorded completely stereo, but i'm listening to radio recordings and the drums sound wider than they do in my recordings. any plugins or techniques you folks could recommend? Thanks for all input! Omar Binno Website: www.bigoproductions.net AIM: LOD1116 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5263 (20100708) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5264 (20100709) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com