[ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
- From: "Mike Christer" <m-christer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:09:50 -0000
Yeah! I like it when stuff kinda mirrors itself real quick, like a chord
having a rapid reflection on the opposite channel etc.
But, when its so obviously out of time, well, is it ctrl 'Z'?
l8r
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Muir
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:04 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
Sure do. Still, I personally don't mind if that double tracked guitar, isn't
tracked exactly the same as the first take. Keeps the music real which, I
know you also think is important, smile.
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Mike Christer
Sent: 14 July 2010 11:37
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
That's always the best way, but, unfortunately, 99% of "would-be" musicians,
find it practically impossible to perform the same piece of music, the same way
twice!
No wot I mean?
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Muir
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:27 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
On the other hand if you have the time then, double tracking is always
better because you will end up with a more interesting sonic pallet.
Regards, Phil Muir
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Mike Christer
Sent: 11 July 2010 21:45
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
I think that's because, with the advent of didge, its so damn easy to
perform, plus, you don't get any of those artefacts invading the sonic
landscape, that the "so-called" automatic double-tracking" could introduce...
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Burgess
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:37 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
It's strange, but this effect used to be called Automatic Double Tracking
(ADT) by FX processors that offered it - the term seemed to be everywhere in
the 80s, but I now can't recall seeing it used at all lately. Curious.
Best wishes.
Tim Burgess
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Mike Christer
Sent: 09 July 2010 19:14
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
First, you've gotta pan each separate track.
when you copy & paste the original to its nu destination, paste it not
beginning at, for instance, bar 01:01:01, but at bar 01: 01: 025...
along with the panning, this creates the width, akin to quote tracking
unquote, or "double-tracking"...
l8r
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Omar Binno
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 4:27 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
DJX,
if we just copy a track, doesn't it just copy the info from it? so if a
track is recorded stereo with a mono sound like drums, isn't the copied track
gonna be the same, hence not allowing you to get a panned sound? wouldn't i
have to actually play the drum track on a new track and pan them that way?
----- Original Message -----
From: D!J!X!
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:48 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
if you're doing hip hop, here are some ways:
Take to samples that sound similar or that you might already be
layering. split them out to 2 separate tracks and pan them out a bit. If you're
only using 1 sample, take a copy of the track, change the pitch on it a bit and
again play with the panning. Spread the channels out as far as you'd like to
split the sound. The same can be applied to kicks, it all depends on what kick
type you're using. For a bass kick like a tooned 808 or 909, you could do some
of it, for other more thump kicks or dry kicks that serve as gound for the
beat, it might not be a good idea.
Another way of widening the stereo image for any instrument that is
mono or too centered, pan it out to 1 side, then get a delay effect and insert
it, send the delay back on the opposite side and set a small amount of delay.
play with the setting till you get the amount of widening you want. Hard to
explain in writing, this is 1 of those things that works better as a walk
through.
These are some of the techniques i can think of from the top of my
head, there's more though.
HTH, D!J!X!
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:22 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] drums a wider sound
Hello,
I've gotten the art of making my drums sound decent as far as
punchiness, bass, loudness, etc. What i'm wondering, though, is what's a good
way to make them sound wider? I know drums aren't usually recorded completely
stereo, but i'm listening to radio recordings and the drums sound wider than
they do in my recordings. any plugins or techniques you folks could recommend?
Thanks for all input!
Omar Binno
Website: www.bigoproductions.net
AIM: LOD1116
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