[ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
- From: "Mike Christer" <m-christer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:38:08 -0000
I know what you mean, this guy I worked with for quite a time, always insisted
on "tracking" his vox, but in his case, I put it down to listening to far too
much Electric Light Orchestra!
Personally, I abhor that "tracked" vocal sound, it always sux, to my ears at
least!
l8r
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Burgess
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:01 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
Mike,
That might be the reason that I've never done that particular search (grin).
I worked with a singer once who had his own variation of ADT - his voice was so
thin he automatically recorded a second take of any vocal before trying to get
out of the live rroom...
Best wishes.
Tim Burgess
Raised Bar Ltd
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Mike Christer
Sent: 11 July 2010 21:48
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
Hey Tim!
What's the point of doing the search, when the physical act of
double-tracking, re: the way I suggested, is so incredibly easy, and a damn
sight easier?
Seems like peeps, for some dumb reason, like to make life complicated!
grin!
l8r
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Burgess
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 1:12 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
Haven't seen anything tagged as this, but you could manufacture it as Mike
suggested then save the result as a track template. Try doing a Google for
automatic double tracking plugs and see what turns up.
Best wishes.
Tim Burgess
Raised Bar Ltd
Phone: +44 (0)1827 719822
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Omar Binno
Sent: 12 July 2010 12:47
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
Tim,
Is this effect present in sonar, or through any kind of plugin?
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Burgess
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 7:37 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
It's strange, but this effect used to be called Automatic Double Tracking
(ADT) by FX processors that offered it - the term seemed to be everywhere in
the 80s, but I now can't recall seeing it used at all lately. Curious.
Best wishes.
Tim Burgess
Raised Bar Ltd
Phone: +44 (0)1827 719822
Don't forget to vote for improved access to music and music technology at
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Mike Christer
Sent: 09 July 2010 19:14
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
First, you've gotta pan each separate track.
when you copy & paste the original to its nu destination, paste it not
beginning at, for instance, bar 01:01:01, but at bar 01: 01: 025...
along with the panning, this creates the width, akin to quote tracking
unquote, or "double-tracking"...
l8r
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Omar Binno
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 4:27 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
DJX,
if we just copy a track, doesn't it just copy the info from it? so if a
track is recorded stereo with a mono sound like drums, isn't the copied track
gonna be the same, hence not allowing you to get a panned sound? wouldn't i
have to actually play the drum track on a new track and pan them that way?
----- Original Message -----
From: D!J!X!
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:48 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
if you're doing hip hop, here are some ways:
Take to samples that sound similar or that you might already be
layering. split them out to 2 separate tracks and pan them out a bit. If you're
only using 1 sample, take a copy of the track, change the pitch on it a bit and
again play with the panning. Spread the channels out as far as you'd like to
split the sound. The same can be applied to kicks, it all depends on what kick
type you're using. For a bass kick like a tooned 808 or 909, you could do some
of it, for other more thump kicks or dry kicks that serve as gound for the
beat, it might not be a good idea.
Another way of widening the stereo image for any instrument that is
mono or too centered, pan it out to 1 side, then get a delay effect and insert
it, send the delay back on the opposite side and set a small amount of delay.
play with the setting till you get the amount of widening you want. Hard to
explain in writing, this is 1 of those things that works better as a walk
through.
These are some of the techniques i can think of from the top of my
head, there's more though.
HTH, D!J!X!
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:22 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] drums a wider sound
Hello,
I've gotten the art of making my drums sound decent as far as
punchiness, bass, loudness, etc. What i'm wondering, though, is what's a good
way to make them sound wider? I know drums aren't usually recorded completely
stereo, but i'm listening to radio recordings and the drums sound wider than
they do in my recordings. any plugins or techniques you folks could recommend?
Thanks for all input!
Omar Binno
Website: www.bigoproductions.net
AIM: LOD1116
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