Haven't seen anything tagged as this, but you could manufacture it as Mike suggested then save the result as a track template. Try doing a Google for automatic double tracking plugs and see what turns up. Best wishes. Tim Burgess Raised Bar Ltd Phone: +44 (0)1827 719822 Don't forget to vote for improved access to music and music technology at <http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm> http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno Sent: 12 July 2010 12:47 To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound Tim, Is this effect present in sonar, or through any kind of plugin? ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Burgess <mailto:tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 7:37 AM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound It's strange, but this effect used to be called Automatic Double Tracking (ADT) by FX processors that offered it - the term seemed to be everywhere in the 80s, but I now can't recall seeing it used at all lately. Curious. Best wishes. Tim Burgess Raised Bar Ltd Phone: +44 (0)1827 719822 Don't forget to vote for improved access to music and music technology at http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Christer Sent: 09 July 2010 19:14 To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound First, you've gotta pan each separate track. when you copy & paste the original to its nu destination, paste it not beginning at, for instance, bar 01:01:01, but at bar 01: 01: 025... along with the panning, this creates the width, akin to quote tracking unquote, or "double-tracking"... l8r Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Omar Binno <mailto:omarbinno@xxxxxxxxx> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 4:27 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound DJX, if we just copy a track, doesn't it just copy the info from it? so if a track is recorded stereo with a mono sound like drums, isn't the copied track gonna be the same, hence not allowing you to get a panned sound? wouldn't i have to actually play the drum track on a new track and pan them that way? ----- Original Message ----- From: D!J!X! <mailto:megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:48 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound if you're doing hip hop, here are some ways: Take to samples that sound similar or that you might already be layering. split them out to 2 separate tracks and pan them out a bit. If you're only using 1 sample, take a copy of the track, change the pitch on it a bit and again play with the panning. Spread the channels out as far as you'd like to split the sound. The same can be applied to kicks, it all depends on what kick type you're using. For a bass kick like a tooned 808 or 909, you could do some of it, for other more thump kicks or dry kicks that serve as gound for the beat, it might not be a good idea. Another way of widening the stereo image for any instrument that is mono or too centered, pan it out to 1 side, then get a delay effect and insert it, send the delay back on the opposite side and set a small amount of delay. play with the setting till you get the amount of widening you want. Hard to explain in writing, this is 1 of those things that works better as a walk through. These are some of the techniques i can think of from the top of my head, there's more though. HTH, D!J!X! _____ From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:22 PM To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] drums a wider sound Hello, I've gotten the art of making my drums sound decent as far as punchiness, bass, loudness, etc. What i'm wondering, though, is what's a good way to make them sound wider? I know drums aren't usually recorded completely stereo, but i'm listening to radio recordings and the drums sound wider than they do in my recordings. any plugins or techniques you folks could recommend? Thanks for all input! Omar Binno Website: www.bigoproductions.net AIM: LOD1116