[ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
- From: "Phil Muir" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:27:35 +0100
Indeed and, I know what you mean.Flicked the radio on the other day and
listened to some unsigned acts. One track came on and it sounded like the
guitars were trying to rush the drum machine. Not good! Hmm, come to think
of it, wasn't that keen on the drum machine either. No call for drum
machines now a days unless, you're going for that retro sound which, I don't
think they were. Always better to load up Superior Drummer 2 and programme
it so that it sounds like a real drummer is playing.
Regards, Phil Muir
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Mike Christer
Sent: 14 July 2010 12:10
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
Yeah! I like it when stuff kinda mirrors itself real quick, like a chord
having a rapid reflection on the opposite channel etc.
But, when its so obviously out of time, well, is it ctrl 'Z'?
l8r
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Muir <mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:04 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
Sure do. Still, I personally don't mind if that double tracked guitar,
isn't tracked exactly the same as the first take. Keeps the music real
which, I know you also think is important, smile.
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Mike Christer
Sent: 14 July 2010 11:37
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
That's always the best way, but, unfortunately, 99% of "would-be" musicians,
find it practically impossible to perform the same piece of music, the same
way twice!
No wot I mean?
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Muir <mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:27 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
On the other hand if you have the time then, double tracking is always
better because you will end up with a more interesting sonic pallet.
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Mike Christer
Sent: 11 July 2010 21:45
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
I think that's because, with the advent of didge, its so damn easy to
perform, plus, you don't get any of those artefacts invading the sonic
landscape, that the "so-called" automatic double-tracking" could
introduce...
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Burgess <mailto:tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:37 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
It's strange, but this effect used to be called Automatic Double Tracking
(ADT) by FX processors that offered it - the term seemed to be everywhere in
the 80s, but I now can't recall seeing it used at all lately. Curious.
Best wishes.
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Mike Christer
Sent: 09 July 2010 19:14
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
First, you've gotta pan each separate track.
when you copy & paste the original to its nu destination, paste it not
beginning at, for instance, bar 01:01:01, but at bar 01: 01: 025...
along with the panning, this creates the width, akin to quote tracking
unquote, or "double-tracking"...
l8r
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Omar <mailto:omarbinno@xxxxxxxxx> Binno
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 4:27 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
DJX,
if we just copy a track, doesn't it just copy the info from it? so if a
track is recorded stereo with a mono sound like drums, isn't the copied
track gonna be the same, hence not allowing you to get a panned sound?
wouldn't i have to actually play the drum track on a new track and pan them
that way?
----- Original Message -----
From: D!J!X! <mailto:megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:48 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound
if you're doing hip hop, here are some ways:
Take to samples that sound similar or that you might already be layering.
split them out to 2 separate tracks and pan them out a bit. If you're only
using 1 sample, take a copy of the track, change the pitch on it a bit and
again play with the panning. Spread the channels out as far as you'd like to
split the sound. The same can be applied to kicks, it all depends on what
kick type you're using. For a bass kick like a tooned 808 or 909, you could
do some of it, for other more thump kicks or dry kicks that serve as gound
for the beat, it might not be a good idea.
Another way of widening the stereo image for any instrument that is mono or
too centered, pan it out to 1 side, then get a delay effect and insert it,
send the delay back on the opposite side and set a small amount of delay.
play with the setting till you get the amount of widening you want. Hard to
explain in writing, this is 1 of those things that works better as a walk
through.
These are some of the techniques i can think of from the top of my head,
there's more though.
HTH, D!J!X!
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Omar Binno
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:22 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] drums a wider sound
Hello,
I've gotten the art of making my drums sound decent as far as punchiness,
bass, loudness, etc. What i'm wondering, though, is what's a good way to
make them sound wider? I know drums aren't usually recorded completely
stereo, but i'm listening to radio recordings and the drums sound wider than
they do in my recordings. any plugins or techniques you folks could
recommend?
Thanks for all input!
Omar Binno
Website: www.bigoproductions.net
AIM: LOD1116
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