It's a great effect, go try it, it can sound fabulous... Better still, actually "track" the original... ----- Original Message ----- From: Omar Binno To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 5:46 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound hmm, so would this also work if i recorded a live guitar and wanted it stereo? Also, if you start the other track a mili-second later or earlier than the original, doesn't that mess with the quantization and the 2 tracks won't sound in sync? ----- Original Message ----- From: Darren H To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 1:29 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound yeah, if the left and right panned tracks are absolutely spot on in time with each other, they cancel the panning out and will appear to be centered. Cheers Darren ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Christer To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 7:14 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound First, you've gotta pan each separate track. when you copy & paste the original to its nu destination, paste it not beginning at, for instance, bar 01:01:01, but at bar 01: 01: 025... along with the panning, this creates the width, akin to quote tracking unquote, or "double-tracking"... l8r Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Omar Binno To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 4:27 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound DJX, if we just copy a track, doesn't it just copy the info from it? so if a track is recorded stereo with a mono sound like drums, isn't the copied track gonna be the same, hence not allowing you to get a panned sound? wouldn't i have to actually play the drum track on a new track and pan them that way? ----- Original Message ----- From: D!J!X! To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:48 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound if you're doing hip hop, here are some ways: Take to samples that sound similar or that you might already be layering. split them out to 2 separate tracks and pan them out a bit. If you're only using 1 sample, take a copy of the track, change the pitch on it a bit and again play with the panning. Spread the channels out as far as you'd like to split the sound. The same can be applied to kicks, it all depends on what kick type you're using. For a bass kick like a tooned 808 or 909, you could do some of it, for other more thump kicks or dry kicks that serve as gound for the beat, it might not be a good idea. Another way of widening the stereo image for any instrument that is mono or too centered, pan it out to 1 side, then get a delay effect and insert it, send the delay back on the opposite side and set a small amount of delay. play with the setting till you get the amount of widening you want. Hard to explain in writing, this is 1 of those things that works better as a walk through. These are some of the techniques i can think of from the top of my head, there's more though. HTH, D!J!X! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:22 PM To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] drums a wider sound Hello, I've gotten the art of making my drums sound decent as far as punchiness, bass, loudness, etc. What i'm wondering, though, is what's a good way to make them sound wider? I know drums aren't usually recorded completely stereo, but i'm listening to radio recordings and the drums sound wider than they do in my recordings. any plugins or techniques you folks could recommend? Thanks for all input! Omar Binno Website: www.bigoproductions.net AIM: LOD1116