Thanks Chris. Much appreciated! Fondly Liz
Liz Jelinek, PhD
On Jun 10, 2017, at 4:38 AM, Chris Walsh chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Liz
I'm not particularly fond of Freud but I defend your right to use the term
"defended" just as I defend anyone's right to defend themselves 😉
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9420 1425
www.cwalsh.com.au
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Dr Liz Jelinek lizjelinek@xxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well I can only guess that you are from a school that is anti-Freudian but
isn't your comment to me just ever so judgmental since you appear to be
critical of my use of the word defended.
This is a man who is highly defended if you were originally trained in
Freudian analytic psychology as I was. But if you read through this entire
thread carefully you will see that I've also suggested that he's split off
in the way described by Franz Rupert. Furthermore as someone so aptly
pointed out this is a man who's highly dissociated.
So if you find fault with my choice of words then feel free to judge me. But
this same highly defended man trusts me sufficiently due to much hard word
and building of trust to share with me the unthinkable to say nothing of the
unmentionable --that he has feelings of lust for his grown daughter. So if I
am judging him I'm so sorry. It was my believe that I'm assisting him to
heal his transgenerational wounds from not just his own early life but the
trauma he carries of the ancestors.
Liz Jelinek, PhD
On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Robert Grant erebees@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello All,
Just a subtle point I find hard to resist making. "client has been too
defended to participate" somehow makes me feel uneasy. Is there a subtle
implication of blame or guilt? People often feel unsafe for many very good
reasons, too defended feels judgemental. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
Best wishes,
Robert
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 1:44 AM, Dr Liz Jelinek lizjelinek@xxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Interesting thx. This is especially relevant because I've been convinced
from the earliest meeting with this man that his father, a college
professor at a major university, was gay and that the wife/mother was his
cover. It's never come up in a constellation as my client has been too
defended to participate.
Interesting. Thx
Liz Jelinek, PhD