Interesting thx. This is especially relevant because I've been convinced from
the earliest meeting with this man that his father, a college professor at a
major university, was gay and that the wife/mother was his cover. It's never
come up in a constellation as my client has been too defended to participate.
Interesting. Thx
Liz Jelinek, PhD
On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:04 AM, ROSALBA STOCCO rstocco@xxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Assuming my memory serves me….
I believe Bert Hellinger, cautioned about “saints” as they are more dangerous
than perpetrators. I think the story that he shared to demonstrate this
point was the woman who in her righteous religious beliefs turned in her
husband as being a homosexual to the Nazi.
My interpretation was that she hid her anger or hatred of her husband with
the accusation.
Rosalba
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On Jun 8, 2017, at 8:16 AM, 'Eimear O'Neill' eimear@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I don't suppose Hellinger used that good Irish saying "No good deed goes
unpunished!" Irony aside, self-sacrificing mothers can demand/command
loyalty in family systems that covers up their own transgenerational traumas
passed on to the next generation... especially if the mother (or father) has
put aside their own health, well-being, healing, leaving a relationship and
dealing with composting their own muck, "for the children's sake". Unspoken
resentment, inappropriate expectations and projections, rigid moral
imperatives about sexuality backed by divine right,.. you can all imagine
the list of more obvious 'punishments'.
In this particular case, I'd be interested in at least leaving space for the
transgenerational trauma on both sides.. From an earlier extensive and
well-respected national survey here in Canada (Badgley Report) it's one in
two of girls under 14 who have had some exposure to the continuum of sexual
abuse (almost all of it by men) and one in three of boys (almost all by
men)... That number appears to have dropped by the 2014 Community Health
Survey.. however that smaller survey left out indigenous populations where
the rate of sexual abuse for girls is 8 out of 10, 6 out of 10 for boys.
One conclusion is that most 'saints' would have had exposure to early
childhood sexual abuse, however that was handled. These numbers also
underline the critical importance of dealing with men's sexual responses and
traumatic re-enactments in relation to children, transgenerationaly. Bruce's
post reveals how systemic constellations work can contribute in that.
Warmly
Eimear
Eimear O'Neill PhD
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‘If we surrendered/ to earth’s intelligence, we could rise up rooted, like
trees."Rainer Maria Rilke:
On 8 June 2017 at 00:48, Anngwyn anngwyn@xxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Greetings from Budapest,
Years ago I seem to remember Hellinger saying something
interesting and important about parents who are regarded as "saints" but I
cannot remember what that was. Does anyone have that information ?
Warm Regards
Anngwyn St. Just Ph.D
www.acst-international.com
http://anngwyn.wisrville.org
