[mac4theblind] Re: Strange and startling dream
- From: John Panarese <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 14:39:55 -0400
No, I think having one company responsible for the OS and the screen reader
is a much better long term solution. NVDA is open source and open to a
community of developers. As I said, it has drawbacks compared to Window-Eyes
and JAWS, and those limitations cannot be compared necessarily across
platforms. In reality, all screen readers conceptual set out to do the same
things, but on the Mac because of the Mac's stability and security, that alone
gives it plenty of advantage over Windows.
As for complex keyboard combination, know your screen reader. The same
things can be said for Windows too. With VO, use Numpad Commander, Keyboard
commander or a third party product like, Spark, and your complexity is
simplified tremendously.
The bottom line is I get work done on my Mac with VoiceOver and I don't
fight with the OS. In Windows, half the time is spent dealing with the OS and
Trying to get work done.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
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> On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl.tod@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Oh, I forgot to mention ... I'm not sure that being integrated into the
> operating system is a significant advantage. The main advantage appears to
> be that it works right out of the box. There's no installation.
>
> But are you prepared to say that voiceover works better than nvda? If so,
> how? I mean, what does voiceover do better than nvda?
>
> Being integrated into the operating system has it's drawbacks. For one,
> voiceover has no competition. For better or worse, we're stuck with voiceober
> and Apple's idea of accessibility. It does take some very complicated key
> combinations to use voiceover. That's probably the result of Apple not
> wanting voiceover to interfere with other operating system functions. Some
> people have been critical of Apple's response time when it comes to fixing
> bugs in voiceover. I've een bugs fixed the same day they were reported in
> orca and nvda.
>
> To be clear, having voiceover come with an Apple product is a great thing. If
> you're going to buy Apple products anyway, you don't have to buy a screen
> reader. This is a terrific thing. But I'm not sure that being integrated into
> the OS automatically makes voiceover better than other screen readers. There
> is a difference between quality and value.
>
> On 03/23/2015 09:42 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> And all are bolt on after thoughts. NVDA, JFW, WE, what ever they are all
>> after thoughts compared to Voice Over which is integrated like any other
>> feature in the OS.
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 10:26 AM, Todor Fassl <fassl.tod@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> There is a free screen reader for Windows though. It's called nvda.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/23/2015 08:57 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>> Actually, the Mac is not more expensive when you add in the cost of the
>>>> screen reader. Remember you need to add a grand or so if you’re
>>>> installing JFW on that new machine so add that to the cost. Voice Over is
>>>> included for free so that cost is already covered.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Lena Contreras <contreras_lena@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes. My Mac is approaching five years old. When I had my other windows
>>>>> laptops, when they were around four years old they would start acting
>>>>> strangely. They would crash for no reason the speech would stop working
>>>>> and I would have to reboot or other strange things would happen. So far,
>>>>> my Mac is running fine. I know Friends that have eight or nine-year-old
>>>>> Max that are running well but won't support the latest OSX. When
>>>>> somebody's getting a new computer, I recommend a Macintosh. But some of
>>>>> my friends are Fred to make the switch because of having to relearn
>>>>> things. Also the Mac is more expensive and they want to spend less on the
>>>>> computer. And some of my computer geek friends don't like the "control
>>>>> "that Apple has.
>>>>> Lena
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 5:31 AM, Scott Granados <scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 Microsoft has scarred me too. It’s hard to get over that level of
>>>>>> bad design and lack of security.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2015, at 11:47 AM, John Panarese <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, I keep having this nightmare that I still have to use
>>>>>>> Windows to train a few clients, but it's actually reality and not some
>>>>>>> bad dream. I guess, in your case, the psychological scars remain ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take Care
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>>>>> Director
>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>>>>>> Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Lena Contreras <contreras_lena@xxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was listening to a couple podcasts yesterday about the new Apple
>>>>>>>> MacBook and Apple Watch. Last night I had a strange dream. I dreamt
>>>>>>>> that I was typing away on a laptop who's screen would not stay open
>>>>>>>> and I had to lay it down flat on the table like an iPad. It didn't
>>>>>>>> bother me though because I was listening to the voice and did not need
>>>>>>>> to see the screen and an angle.
>>>>>>>> I remember I was typing and all of a sudden realize that there was no
>>>>>>>> voice feedback. When I checked to see if the computer was running it
>>>>>>>> had crashed. I somehow knew that it was a Windows machine and wondered
>>>>>>>> why I did not hear the sound I had originally used to tell me when the
>>>>>>>> computer was crashing. I remember feeling frustrated and thinking that
>>>>>>>> I should get a Mac. I just thought it was very weird to have this
>>>>>>>> dream when my MacBook Pro is running well and I have not touched a
>>>>>>>> Windows computer in about five years. Funny how the brain works.
>>>>>>>> Lena
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone************
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