[mac4theblind] Re: Strange and startling dream
- From: Scott Granados <scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 19:05:52 +0000
And I don’t think just because voiceover is built in that precludes other
people from entering the space. I myself wouldn’t want to compete with Apple
but that doesn’t mean someone else wouldn’t feel differently.
On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:39 PM, John Panarese <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> No, I think having one company responsible for the OS and the screen reader
> is a much better long term solution. NVDA is open source and open to a
> community of developers. As I said, it has drawbacks compared to Window-Eyes
> and JAWS, and those limitations cannot be compared necessarily across
> platforms. In reality, all screen readers conceptual set out to do the same
> things, but on the Mac because of the Mac's stability and security, that
> alone gives it plenty of advantage over Windows.
>
> As for complex keyboard combination, know your screen reader. The same
> things can be said for Windows too. With VO, use Numpad Commander, Keyboard
> commander or a third party product like, Spark, and your complexity is
> simplified tremendously.
>
> The bottom line is I get work done on my Mac with VoiceOver and I don't
> fight with the OS. In Windows, half the time is spent dealing with the OS and
> Trying to get work done.
>
>
> Take Care
>
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
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>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl.tod@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, I forgot to mention ... I'm not sure that being integrated into the
>> operating system is a significant advantage. The main advantage appears to
>> be that it works right out of the box. There's no installation.
>>
>> But are you prepared to say that voiceover works better than nvda? If so,
>> how? I mean, what does voiceover do better than nvda?
>>
>> Being integrated into the operating system has it's drawbacks. For one,
>> voiceover has no competition. For better or worse, we're stuck with
>> voiceober and Apple's idea of accessibility. It does take some very
>> complicated key combinations to use voiceover. That's probably the result of
>> Apple not wanting voiceover to interfere with other operating system
>> functions. Some people have been critical of Apple's response time when it
>> comes to fixing bugs in voiceover. I've een bugs fixed the same day they
>> were reported in orca and nvda.
>>
>> To be clear, having voiceover come with an Apple product is a great thing.
>> If you're going to buy Apple products anyway, you don't have to buy a screen
>> reader. This is a terrific thing. But I'm not sure that being integrated
>> into the OS automatically makes voiceover better than other screen readers.
>> There is a difference between quality and value.
>>
>> On 03/23/2015 09:42 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> And all are bolt on after thoughts. NVDA, JFW, WE, what ever they are all
>>> after thoughts compared to Voice Over which is integrated like any other
>>> feature in the OS.
>>>
>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 10:26 AM, Todor Fassl <fassl.tod@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is a free screen reader for Windows though. It's called nvda.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 03/23/2015 08:57 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>> Actually, the Mac is not more expensive when you add in the cost of the
>>>>> screen reader. Remember you need to add a grand or so if you’re
>>>>> installing JFW on that new machine so add that to the cost. Voice Over
>>>>> is included for free so that cost is already covered.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Lena Contreras <contreras_lena@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. My Mac is approaching five years old. When I had my other windows
>>>>>> laptops, when they were around four years old they would start acting
>>>>>> strangely. They would crash for no reason the speech would stop working
>>>>>> and I would have to reboot or other strange things would happen. So far,
>>>>>> my Mac is running fine. I know Friends that have eight or nine-year-old
>>>>>> Max that are running well but won't support the latest OSX. When
>>>>>> somebody's getting a new computer, I recommend a Macintosh. But some of
>>>>>> my friends are Fred to make the switch because of having to relearn
>>>>>> things. Also the Mac is more expensive and they want to spend less on
>>>>>> the computer. And some of my computer geek friends don't like the
>>>>>> "control "that Apple has.
>>>>>> Lena
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 5:31 AM, Scott Granados <scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1 Microsoft has scarred me too. It’s hard to get over that level of
>>>>>>> bad design and lack of security.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2015, at 11:47 AM, John Panarese <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, I keep having this nightmare that I still have to use
>>>>>>>> Windows to train a few clients, but it's actually reality and not some
>>>>>>>> bad dream. I guess, in your case, the psychological scars remain ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Take Care
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>>>>>> Director
>>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>>>>>>> Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Lena Contreras <contreras_lena@xxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was listening to a couple podcasts yesterday about the new Apple
>>>>>>>>> MacBook and Apple Watch. Last night I had a strange dream. I dreamt
>>>>>>>>> that I was typing away on a laptop who's screen would not stay open
>>>>>>>>> and I had to lay it down flat on the table like an iPad. It didn't
>>>>>>>>> bother me though because I was listening to the voice and did not
>>>>>>>>> need to see the screen and an angle.
>>>>>>>>> I remember I was typing and all of a sudden realize that there was no
>>>>>>>>> voice feedback. When I checked to see if the computer was running it
>>>>>>>>> had crashed. I somehow knew that it was a Windows machine and
>>>>>>>>> wondered why I did not hear the sound I had originally used to tell
>>>>>>>>> me when the computer was crashing. I remember feeling frustrated and
>>>>>>>>> thinking that I should get a Mac. I just thought it was very weird to
>>>>>>>>> have this dream when my MacBook Pro is running well and I have not
>>>>>>>>> touched a Windows computer in about five years. Funny how the brain
>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>> Lena
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone************
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