[duxuser] Re: single quotes and apostrophes
- From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@xxxxxx>
- To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 02:06:30 +0100
In English braille on both sides of the Atlantic, the single quote is
dot6 lower h to begin, and lower j dot3 to end it. (I think, or on my
keyboard at any rate, it is produced by pressing the grave key followed
by the spacebar to start the inner or single quotes, then pressing the
grave key at the end of the single quotes. This translates correctly in
my DBT into the braille symbols as outlined above.)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Leavens" <dleavens@xxxxxxx>
To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 2:38 AM
Subject: [duxuser] Re: single quotes and apostrophes
Terry,
The symbols do look the same. I am unaware of any computer keyboard
capable
of creating the single quote. This is really a fairly new construct as
typewriters don't include it either. I do not recall learning the
correct
usage of the single quote at any time during my English grammar or
literature education but this may well reflect a poor education.
It is interesting that you do not get the ~ character (tilde) when you
cut
your text to DBT. This is what I always get with that symbol.
Though off topic I am interested to know when one is actually supposed
to
use the single quote character. I do not recall running into it even in
braille transcribed by RNIB or APH.
Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario
dleavens@xxxxxxx
Home of the Polar Bear Express!
----- Original Message -----
>From: "Terri Pannett" <pann1@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "duxuser" <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:50 PM
Subject: [duxuser] single quotes and apostrophes
Dear List,
I thought it would be best to change the subject line.
The situation of the wrong symbol being used is really a pain in the
neck,
especially if you're reading text in a program.
I just recently got the Windows version of the Online Bible. Every time
I
look up a passage, all the words in the passage which should have
apostrophes contain single quotes. This means my fingers run over two
cells
of wrong braille and WindowEyes will read the word wrong, too. There's
no
way to correct things if a program sets up the text wrong. The
"smart-tag"
explanation explains the reason why I see single quotes where I should
see
apostrophes, but the problem isn't solved.
Now, I have discovered if I copy a passage of Scripture to the Windows
clipboard and read the text using DBT, all these nasty single quotes are
stripped. The apostrophes are still missing, but the single quotes are
missing, too. I think I can handle not seeing single quotes and
apostrophes
better than seeing single quotes where there should be apostrophes.
In the DOS version of the same program, the opposite is true: single
quotes
appear as apostrophes. I went nuts with that, too, but if I've got to
see a
wrong sign, let it be a one-cell sign, not a two-cell sign.
I gather that there are two different Ansi values for both symbols, so
perhaps DBT could be programmed so when it recognizes the Ansi value of
the
symbol for apostrophe, it will translate it as dot 3; and when it sees
the
Ansi symbol for single quote, it will recognize it as the single quote
and
translate the symbols as the two-cell sign. Perhaps there could be an
option so a person could "strip" out all the symbols represented by the
"smart-tags".
I have a PC keyboard which doesn't have a special key for the single
quote--I have to use the grave accent key to make a correct braille
single
quote sign. But my BrailleNote does have a special key for single
quotes.
I'm wondering if there are PC keyboards which have the special key
included
in them?
I'm also wondering if it bothers sighted people to see the wrong symbol,
or
does the single quote in print look like the apostrophe?
Perhaps the rules in the U.S. and U.K. could be changed so both single
quotes and apostrophes are represented in braille as dot 3.
I guess some of you might think I'm nuts, but there GOT to be a solution
to
this problem and it's not going to come from either Microsoft or Corel.
(In
fact, DBT doesn't like the so-called "rtf" files so I have to convert
such
files to plain Ansi when I copy passages of Scripture to the clipboard.)
Perhaps someone has a better idea than any I have proposed.
Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX,
California
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