[mac4theblind] Re: Strange and startling dream
- From: John Panarese <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 18:05:03 -0400
OK, broken record. This topic is closed. I've now had one on list and two
off list requesting it. You are not listening to anyone, so it is apparent you
have no interest in a true discussion.
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John D. Panarese
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> On Mar 23, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl.tod@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Well, John didn't say that Macs are gaining market share while Windows is
> losing market share. I wouldn't have disputed that. But that's a little like
> those commercials that say that roller derby is the fasted growing sport in
> America. Windows PC sales still far outstrip sales of Macs.
>
> The greater point here is that you can't go by popularity. I am not willing
> to accept that Windows is a far better operating system than Macs just
> because the vast majority of desktop sales are Windows. Neither am I willing
> to accept that Mac OS is better than Windows simply because Mac OS has
> increased it's market share.
>
> On 03/23/2015 02:40 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> I think that the fact Microsoft is in a state of decline and Apple is not is
>> one piece of evidence. Also, I remember at the second to last Keynote Apple
>> announced that the growth rate in Apple computers (both laptops and
>> desktops) was on a very high upward curve where windows based devices was on
>> a downward spiral. I will look for some hard numbers for you but I think
>> John is correct in his statement. I have a client who just replaced 60,000
>> Dell laptops with Macbook Pros.
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl.tod@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Are you claiming Mac desktops are outselling Windows desktops? I'd like to
>>> see some documentation for that. If it turns out that you are wrong, are
>>> you going to consider it a point in favor of Windows? If Windows desktops
>>> are still outselling Macs, there must be some reason for that, right?
>>>
>>> I am sensing a certain amount of defensiveness in your comments, John. I
>>> am not a Windows advocate. I'm trying to get at the truth.
>>>
>>> On 03/23/2015 02:00 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>>>> You don't. All the major outlets have been doing in recent years is
>>>> exalting Macs over PCs. Macs are out selling PCs at this point in the
>>>> market on a quarterly basis. There has to be a reason for that. I'd take
>>>> a Mac and VoiceOver over Any Windows system with NVDA any day of the week
>>>> and have done so.
>>>>
>>>> Again, though, we are in the realm of opinion and I don't think list
>>>> members need to read opinion pieces here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Take Care
>>>>
>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>> Director
>>>> Mac for the Blind
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>>>> Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl.tod@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't find any documentation for PC World recommending the Mac over
>>>>> various PCs. If someone could supply a link I'd appreciate it. IMO, it's
>>>>> a tough call. A Mac with voiceover is going to be a lot more expensive
>>>>> than a Windows machine with nvda. Which gives better bang for the buck? I
>>>>> think it is a tough call.
>>>>> I can even see a case for a linux machine with orca being the best bang
>>>>> for the buck. Linux and orca will run on just about anything. You can
>>>>> probably buy a used computer for $100, put linux on it, and have a
>>>>> machine with a screen reader for just the cost of the bare hardware.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 03/23/2015 10:33 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>>> Absolutely agreed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even PC Magazine agrees with you and elected the Mac PC of the year, I
>>>>>> think few times now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 11:20 AM, David hilbert poehlman
>>>>>> <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> besides, windows runs better on a mac.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Lena Contreras wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes. My Mac is approaching five years old. When I had my other windows
>>>>>>> laptops, when they were around four years old they would start acting
>>>>>>> strangely. They would crash for no reason the speech would stop working
>>>>>>> and I would have to reboot or other strange things would happen. So
>>>>>>> far, my Mac is running fine. I know Friends that have eight or
>>>>>>> nine-year-old Max that are running well but won't support the latest
>>>>>>> OSX. When somebody's getting a new computer, I recommend a Macintosh.
>>>>>>> But some of my friends are Fred to make the switch because of having to
>>>>>>> relearn things. Also the Mac is more expensive and they want to spend
>>>>>>> less on the computer. And some of my computer geek friends don't like
>>>>>>> the "control "that Apple has.
>>>>>>> Lena
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 5:31 AM, Scott Granados <scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1 Microsoft has scarred me too. It’s hard to get over that level of
>>>>>>>> bad design and lack of security.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2015, at 11:47 AM, John Panarese <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, I keep having this nightmare that I still have to use
>>>>>>>>> Windows to train a few clients, but it's actually reality and not
>>>>>>>>> some bad dream. I guess, in your case, the psychological scars remain
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Take Care
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>>>>>>> Director
>>>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>>>>>>>> Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Lena Contreras <contreras_lena@xxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was listening to a couple podcasts yesterday about the new Apple
>>>>>>>>>> MacBook and Apple Watch. Last night I had a strange dream. I dreamt
>>>>>>>>>> that I was typing away on a laptop who's screen would not stay open
>>>>>>>>>> and I had to lay it down flat on the table like an iPad. It didn't
>>>>>>>>>> bother me though because I was listening to the voice and did not
>>>>>>>>>> need to see the screen and an angle.
>>>>>>>>>> I remember I was typing and all of a sudden realize that there was
>>>>>>>>>> no voice feedback. When I checked to see if the computer was running
>>>>>>>>>> it had crashed. I somehow knew that it was a Windows machine and
>>>>>>>>>> wondered why I did not hear the sound I had originally used to tell
>>>>>>>>>> me when the computer was crashing. I remember feeling frustrated and
>>>>>>>>>> thinking that I should get a Mac. I just thought it was very weird
>>>>>>>>>> to have this dream when my MacBook Pro is running well and I have
>>>>>>>>>> not touched a Windows computer in about five years. Funny how the
>>>>>>>>>> brain works.
>>>>>>>>>> Lena
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone************
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