[mac4theblind] Re: Strange and startling dream
- From: John Panarese <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 18:50:16 -0400
No problem, George.
For the last time, the topic is closed.
Thank you
Take Care
John D. Panarese
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> On Mar 23, 2015, at 6:47 PM, george b <gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Why don't you just get a clue and after 40 some emails thqat your not
> welcome here
>
> Sorry john
>
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> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 15:43
> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Strange and startling dream
>
> You owe me an apology. I know I'll never get it but I am the one
> debating in good faith. You are the one who is not.
>
> On 03/23/2015 05:05 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>> OK, broken record. This topic is closed. I've now had one on list and
> two off list requesting it. You are not listening to anyone, so it is
> apparent you have no interest in a true discussion.
>>
>>
>> Take Care
>>
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
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>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl.tod@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, John didn't say that Macs are gaining market share while Windows is
> losing market share. I wouldn't have disputed that. But that's a little
> like those commercials that say that roller derby is the fasted growing
> sport in America. Windows PC sales still far outstrip sales of Macs.
>>>
>>> The greater point here is that you can't go by popularity. I am not
> willing to accept that Windows is a far better operating system than Macs
> just because the vast majority of desktop sales are Windows. Neither am I
> willing to accept that Mac OS is better than Windows simply because Mac OS
> has increased it's market share.
>>>
>>> On 03/23/2015 02:40 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>> I think that the fact Microsoft is in a state of decline and Apple is
> not is one piece of evidence. Also, I remember at the second to last
> Keynote Apple announced that the growth rate in Apple computers (both
> laptops and desktops) was on a very high upward curve where windows based
> devices was on a downward spiral. I will look for some hard numbers for you
> but I think John is correct in his statement. I have a client who just
> replaced 60,000 Dell laptops with Macbook Pros.
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl.tod@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Are you claiming Mac desktops are outselling Windows desktops? I'd
> like to see some documentation for that. If it turns out that you are
> wrong, are you going to consider it a point in favor of Windows? If Windows
> desktops are still outselling Macs, there must be some reason for that,
> right?
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sensing a certain amount of defensiveness in your comments, John.
> I am not a Windows advocate. I'm trying to get at the truth.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 03/23/2015 02:00 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>>>>>> You don't. All the major outlets have been doing in recent years
> is exalting Macs over PCs. Macs are out selling PCs at this point in the
> market on a quarterly basis. There has to be a reason for that. I'd take a
> Mac and VoiceOver over Any Windows system with NVDA any day of the week and
> have done so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, though, we are in the realm of opinion and I don't think
> list members need to read opinion pieces here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take Care
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>>>> Director
>>>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>>>>> Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl.tod@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't find any documentation for PC World recommending the Mac over
> various PCs. If someone could supply a link I'd appreciate it. IMO, it's a
> tough call. A Mac with voiceover is going to be a lot more expensive than a
> Windows machine with nvda. Which gives better bang for the buck? I think it
> is a tough call.
>>>>>>> I can even see a case for a linux machine with orca being the best
> bang for the buck. Linux and orca will run on just about anything. You can
> probably buy a used computer for $100, put linux on it, and have a machine
> with a screen reader for just the cost of the bare hardware.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 03/23/2015 10:33 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>>>>> Absolutely agreed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even PC Magazine agrees with you and elected the Mac PC of the year,
> I think few times now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 11:20 AM, David hilbert poehlman
> <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> besides, windows runs better on a mac.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Lena Contreras wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes. My Mac is approaching five years old. When I had my other
> windows laptops, when they were around four years old they would start
> acting strangely. They would crash for no reason the speech would stop
> working and I would have to reboot or other strange things would happen. So
> far, my Mac is running fine. I know Friends that have eight or nine-year-old
> Max that are running well but won't support the latest OSX. When somebody's
> getting a new computer, I recommend a Macintosh. But some of my friends are
> Fred to make the switch because of having to relearn things. Also the Mac is
> more expensive and they want to spend less on the computer. And some of my
> computer geek friends don't like the "control "that Apple has.
>>>>>>>>> Lena
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 5:31 AM, Scott Granados
> <scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> +1 Microsoft has scarred me too. It's hard to get over that level
> of bad design and lack of security.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2015, at 11:47 AM, John Panarese
> <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, I keep having this nightmare that I still have to
> use Windows to train a few clients, but it's actually reality and not some
> bad dream. I guess, in your case, the psychological scars remain ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Take Care
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>>>>>>>>> Director
>>>>>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>>>>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>>>>>>>>>> Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Lena Contreras
> <contreras_lena@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was listening to a couple podcasts yesterday about the new
> Apple MacBook and Apple Watch. Last night I had a strange dream. I dreamt
> that I was typing away on a laptop who's screen would not stay open and I
> had to lay it down flat on the table like an iPad. It didn't bother me
> though because I was listening to the voice and did not need to see the
> screen and an angle.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember I was typing and all of a sudden realize that there
> was no voice feedback. When I checked to see if the computer was running it
> had crashed. I somehow knew that it was a Windows machine and wondered why I
> did not hear the sound I had originally used to tell me when the computer
> was crashing. I remember feeling frustrated and thinking that I should get a
> Mac. I just thought it was very weird to have this dream when my MacBook Pro
> is running well and I have not touched a Windows computer in about five
> years. Funny how the brain works.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lena
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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