[mac4theblind] Re: Strange and startling dream
- From: Scott Granados <scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 12:40:46 +0000
I think market share is something that does need to be considered but yes, I do
agree with your underlying point. Windows and Microsoft had a monopoly and it
wasn’t based on good service or quality products. So you’re right there. I
assure you though, at least in the business market which I am more familiar
Windows is not the majority at all. It’s been phased out over the last 5 years
and this really has had a huge impact on what’s used in the business world. I
care less about the consumer because the good jobs aren’t there, especially for
blind engineers and technicians.
On Mar 23, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl.tod@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Well, John didn't say that Macs are gaining market share while Windows is
> losing market share. I wouldn't have disputed that. But that's a little like
> those commercials that say that roller derby is the fasted growing sport in
> America. Windows PC sales still far outstrip sales of Macs.
>
> The greater point here is that you can't go by popularity. I am not willing
> to accept that Windows is a far better operating system than Macs just
> because the vast majority of desktop sales are Windows. Neither am I willing
> to accept that Mac OS is better than Windows simply because Mac OS has
> increased it's market share.
>
> On 03/23/2015 02:40 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> I think that the fact Microsoft is in a state of decline and Apple is not is
>> one piece of evidence. Also, I remember at the second to last Keynote Apple
>> announced that the growth rate in Apple computers (both laptops and
>> desktops) was on a very high upward curve where windows based devices was on
>> a downward spiral. I will look for some hard numbers for you but I think
>> John is correct in his statement. I have a client who just replaced 60,000
>> Dell laptops with Macbook Pros.
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl.tod@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Are you claiming Mac desktops are outselling Windows desktops? I'd like to
>>> see some documentation for that. If it turns out that you are wrong, are
>>> you going to consider it a point in favor of Windows? If Windows desktops
>>> are still outselling Macs, there must be some reason for that, right?
>>>
>>> I am sensing a certain amount of defensiveness in your comments, John. I
>>> am not a Windows advocate. I'm trying to get at the truth.
>>>
>>> On 03/23/2015 02:00 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>>>> You don't. All the major outlets have been doing in recent years is
>>>> exalting Macs over PCs. Macs are out selling PCs at this point in the
>>>> market on a quarterly basis. There has to be a reason for that. I'd take
>>>> a Mac and VoiceOver over Any Windows system with NVDA any day of the week
>>>> and have done so.
>>>>
>>>> Again, though, we are in the realm of opinion and I don't think list
>>>> members need to read opinion pieces here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Take Care
>>>>
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>>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl.tod@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't find any documentation for PC World recommending the Mac over
>>>>> various PCs. If someone could supply a link I'd appreciate it. IMO, it's
>>>>> a tough call. A Mac with voiceover is going to be a lot more expensive
>>>>> than a Windows machine with nvda. Which gives better bang for the buck? I
>>>>> think it is a tough call.
>>>>> I can even see a case for a linux machine with orca being the best bang
>>>>> for the buck. Linux and orca will run on just about anything. You can
>>>>> probably buy a used computer for $100, put linux on it, and have a
>>>>> machine with a screen reader for just the cost of the bare hardware.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 03/23/2015 10:33 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>>> Absolutely agreed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even PC Magazine agrees with you and elected the Mac PC of the year, I
>>>>>> think few times now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 11:20 AM, David hilbert poehlman
>>>>>> <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> besides, windows runs better on a mac.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Lena Contreras wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes. My Mac is approaching five years old. When I had my other windows
>>>>>>> laptops, when they were around four years old they would start acting
>>>>>>> strangely. They would crash for no reason the speech would stop working
>>>>>>> and I would have to reboot or other strange things would happen. So
>>>>>>> far, my Mac is running fine. I know Friends that have eight or
>>>>>>> nine-year-old Max that are running well but won't support the latest
>>>>>>> OSX. When somebody's getting a new computer, I recommend a Macintosh.
>>>>>>> But some of my friends are Fred to make the switch because of having to
>>>>>>> relearn things. Also the Mac is more expensive and they want to spend
>>>>>>> less on the computer. And some of my computer geek friends don't like
>>>>>>> the "control "that Apple has.
>>>>>>> Lena
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 5:31 AM, Scott Granados <scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1 Microsoft has scarred me too. It’s hard to get over that level of
>>>>>>>> bad design and lack of security.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2015, at 11:47 AM, John Panarese <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, I keep having this nightmare that I still have to use
>>>>>>>>> Windows to train a few clients, but it's actually reality and not
>>>>>>>>> some bad dream. I guess, in your case, the psychological scars remain
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Take Care
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>>>>>>> Director
>>>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>>>>>>>> Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Lena Contreras <contreras_lena@xxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was listening to a couple podcasts yesterday about the new Apple
>>>>>>>>>> MacBook and Apple Watch. Last night I had a strange dream. I dreamt
>>>>>>>>>> that I was typing away on a laptop who's screen would not stay open
>>>>>>>>>> and I had to lay it down flat on the table like an iPad. It didn't
>>>>>>>>>> bother me though because I was listening to the voice and did not
>>>>>>>>>> need to see the screen and an angle.
>>>>>>>>>> I remember I was typing and all of a sudden realize that there was
>>>>>>>>>> no voice feedback. When I checked to see if the computer was running
>>>>>>>>>> it had crashed. I somehow knew that it was a Windows machine and
>>>>>>>>>> wondered why I did not hear the sound I had originally used to tell
>>>>>>>>>> me when the computer was crashing. I remember feeling frustrated and
>>>>>>>>>> thinking that I should get a Mac. I just thought it was very weird
>>>>>>>>>> to have this dream when my MacBook Pro is running well and I have
>>>>>>>>>> not touched a Windows computer in about five years. Funny how the
>>>>>>>>>> brain works.
>>>>>>>>>> Lena
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone************
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